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Journeyman said:
They were funnier than the actual judgement...and that was pretty comical.
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They were funnier than the actual judgement...and that was pretty comical.
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Meads v. Meads, 2012, ABQB, 571
http://canlii.ca/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.pdf
A very extensive court decision from Alberta in a divorce case that examines quite a few facets of :Freeman on the Land" beliefs and explains the legal reasons behind their absolute uselessness - Written as a court decision but in a manner that could be used by other Judges less familiar with their tactics.
http://canlii.ca/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.pdf
A very extensive court decision from Alberta in a divorce case that examines quite a few facets of :Freeman on the Land" beliefs and explains the legal reasons behind their absolute uselessness - Written as a court decision but in a manner that could be used by other Judges less familiar with their tactics.
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The interesting thing about the case that je suis prest posted is that even though the Judge clearly thinks the guy is somewhat of an idiot, he still found that the law sided with the accused. Just goes to show how tough the role of judge must be. I probably would have just convicted the guy for pissing me off with his ramblings.
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recceguy said:
Calgary Police can make the arrest, and only hold him until they consult with Quebec authorities and determine if they want to extend the warrant. There was a case a few years ago, a man flying to UK out of Winnipeg had an outstanding warrant in Ontario. He was held by Customs until CBSA received notice that OPP had no desire to extend the warrant and would only act on it if he ever entered Ontario. He was then permitted to continue his vacation as normal. His return flight was not so pleasant, he had a connecting flight through Pearson and was arrested at the gate by OPP.
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Makes you wonder if CBSA neglected to mention to him that little bit...he might have changed his point of entry :nod:. Or he didn't think anyone would do anything about it since he "wasn't staying"...
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The Freeman of the Land mentality also exist in the black community. They call themselves Moorish American nationals. They have the same beliefs and methods of operation as the Freeman\sovereign citizens . I was recently sent a notarized, formal bill filed through the courts in Cook County, Illinois for 5.3 billion dollars, to be paid in gold bullion. A active member of the Moorish Americans has billed me $63,000\hr for his time. Apparently when you arrest some for 2 prohibited firearms and $12,000, they think you're wasting their time.
I have asked finance to cut me a cheque, in my name, so I can past my bill. ;D
I have asked finance to cut me a cheque, in my name, so I can past my bill. ;D
Yeah, we've been warned about these guys, including getting our credit checks done annually and watching out for liens placed on our homes/vehicles if they're able to identify you... Huge pain in the ass, apparently. I've been fortunate enough not to have dealt with any yet.
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Have you told them that you, also, are a Freeman, and claim the right to bill anyone who uses your name in official correspondence the amount of umpteen squadillion dollars?
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The Canadian Press was kind enough to share the document that was the basis of the original story (obtained via ATIP from the RCMP) - here it is at Dropbox, with thanks to CP.S.M.A. said:
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I'd say this is a bit of an overreaction.
The number of "Freeloaders on the land" is very miniscule, and their ideology isn't very appealing to most people (even the Occupy movement folks went back to their homes after they had endured bad weather, robbery and unsanitary "camping" conditions without the benefit of civilization for a few weeks), so to claim this is some sort of "public saftey threat" seems more like special pleading to increase police powers than anything else.
Like someone said upthread, if a person really is claiming to be a "Freeloader on the land" while committing a crime against property, then release them into the wilds of BC or Northern Ontario where they can be as Sovereign as they like and not interfere with other people's lives or enjoyment of property.
The number of "Freeloaders on the land" is very miniscule, and their ideology isn't very appealing to most people (even the Occupy movement folks went back to their homes after they had endured bad weather, robbery and unsanitary "camping" conditions without the benefit of civilization for a few weeks), so to claim this is some sort of "public saftey threat" seems more like special pleading to increase police powers than anything else.
Like someone said upthread, if a person really is claiming to be a "Freeloader on the land" while committing a crime against property, then release them into the wilds of BC or Northern Ontario where they can be as Sovereign as they like and not interfere with other people's lives or enjoyment of property.
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Thucydides said:
Yes minuscule, but in Land Of The Hippies (Greater Vancouver), they are abundant and are still a threat even in small numbers. Just because they're "miniscule" does not eliminate threat to police or public safety. Let's look at the Grand Prairie incident. Unknown number of Freeloaders captured Trappers cabins with unknown weapons.
Remember Mayerthorpe?
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The same arguments can be made, and with even greater credibility, against followers of Islam in Canada. They exist in large numbers and some of them commit acts of domestic violence against their own family members, and members of their community have been implicatied in real threats against public saftey (planning terrorist attacks against Parliament, Via rail in the GTA and "pressure cooker" bombs in BC), but normal police powers and procedures (coupled with some intelligence sharing) has proven quite effective against them.
There is always potential for individuals to commit actis of violence or crimes, but in a liberal, democratic society the powers of the police need to be constrained. Militarized police, like in some places in the United States, become a danger to ordinary citizens as well.
There is always potential for individuals to commit actis of violence or crimes, but in a liberal, democratic society the powers of the police need to be constrained. Militarized police, like in some places in the United States, become a danger to ordinary citizens as well.
Where are you getting that the FOTL are inspiring more militarization of the police? I don't see that happening. This is just routine sharing of officer safety/criminal intelligence information.
I know a number of other officers who have had dealings with these individuals. Police/FOTL encounters are something that does happen with fair regularity. I'm unsure why it's seen as an 'overreaction' to disseminate a basic primer on FOTL to officers who may not have been aware of them. I'd not call an estimated 30,000 FOTL to be 'miniscule'. Not huge, certainly, but noteworthy.
I know a number of other officers who have had dealings with these individuals. Police/FOTL encounters are something that does happen with fair regularity. I'm unsure why it's seen as an 'overreaction' to disseminate a basic primer on FOTL to officers who may not have been aware of them. I'd not call an estimated 30,000 FOTL to be 'miniscule'. Not huge, certainly, but noteworthy.
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