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French Terror Alert Level Raised

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AP and UPI reported that the French Government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "run" to "hide."
The only two higher levels in France are "collaborate" and "surrender".

The rise in the alert level was precipitated by a recent fire which destroyed one of France's white flag factories; disabling their military.â ?
 
Spr.Earl said:
AP and UPI reported that the French Government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "run" to "hide."
The only two higher levels in France are "collaborate" and "surrender".

The rise in the alert level was precipitated by a recent fire which destroyed one of France's white flag factories; disabling their military.â ?

Wow, becoming more American by the year. We bash the french now because the U.S. does. Tell me, how to you enjoy your freedom fries, with vinegar or ketchup?
 
A odd time of the year for the Germans to be on ex along the French border (Sorry Couldn't help it) ;D
 
This would be funny if the french couldn't kick our ass.
 
Well, they have a nuclear powered aircraft carrier, a whole fleet of boomers, squadrons of aircraft that are capable of delivering nukes, land based missiles capable of hitting London --- from Newfoundland. In 2 years they will have a much bigger navy than the Brits have had since the 1950's , more marines than any other NATO country except the US, and the list goes on.

They also have better wine, cheese, beaches and skiing than the UK. But GD it anyway, they don't make a decent bottle of whiskey and thats the real reason they can't be trusted.

 
You forgot bread, oh my, do the french know how to make bread.
Why is it again we hate the French?

 
Spr.Earl said:
AP and UPI reported that the French Government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "run" to "hide."
The only two higher levels in France are "collaborate" and "surrender".

The rise in the alert level was precipitated by a recent fire which destroyed one of France's white flag factories; disabling their military.â ?

I think they are just catching their breath from all the running. ;)
 
I have heard but have not been able to get confirmation that the French really f***ed up in their carrier design for the Charles De Gaul. Apparently the shielding around the reactors is to such a low degree that sailors are getting sick. There apparently are other design issues with this tub and it does not go out to sea too often.

Has anyone heard similar?

B M.
 
Here is the article:

CVN Charles de Gaulle
http://tcp.dramatools.net/archives/000102.html

It appears that the French navy is having second thoughts about its flagship, the atomic-powered aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. An un-verified account at strategypage.com indicates that the French are considering retiring the vessel, because of various problems.
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Whether the report of French intentions is true or not, there are demonstrable problems with the vessel, and the article (which is probably a temporary one) goes through them. In brief:

1. It's expensive. Big deal. Make your economy something other than a revenue generator for a welfare state, and you'll be able to afford as many carriers as your European state will want.

2. CdG is slower than her half-century-old predecessors Foch and Clemenceau. Why that is, I haven't a clue. You'd think that a late 20th century atomic plant could provide enough raw shaft horsepower to outrun a 1950s (at best) steam plant, but apparently not. The difference in speed is significant; the Foch and her sister are reported by Warships1.com to be capable of 32 knots (a touch faster than Admiral Arleigh Burke, don't you know, but see n1) while CdG is only reported as being capable of 27 knots. Maybe CdG can run that speed longer than the Foch, but I'd be nervous about not having a fast ship.

3. Problems with the propeller design. Apparently, CdG's screws aren't working right (I think she either threw a blade or a screw proper at one point in trials) and so leftovers from the earlier CV program have been implemented.

4. Inadequate reactor shielding. Were he alive today, Admiral Rickover ("the kindly old gentleman"---of those three terms, only 'old' was supposed to be accurate) and in the service of the French navy, would have thrown an absolute fit. Per the article, the amount of leakage (be it particles or whatever; I'm not a nuc) is five times the allowable annual exposure to radiation. Good God! The appellation Hiroshima is supposed to apply to a city in Japan or to a Soviet ballistic missile submarine, not to a carrier in the West! This has been reported elsewhere to have been fixed, but the fact that it was a problem at all is troubling. I'm sorry for the poor guys who had to work next to that plant.

5. Problems with the deck design. Yes, like "It's too short to operate your AEW platform of choice." If memory serves, CdG had to have her deck lengthened (probably at considerable cost and effort) in order to operate the Grumman E-2 Hawkeyes delivered.

The blurb goes on to say that the French would like to get in on the new Royal Navy nuclear carrier program, and add a third unit to the order. That's not such a bad idea as long as the UK's shipwrights get the contract to build the thing and make money off of it. However, Glenn Reynolds tells of a further option that is a bad idea, namely joint Anglo-French operation of the completed vessels. Humbug to that, I say. [Tasteless joke about Mers-el-Kebir snipped.]

To make this a little more clear to American readers, the Charles de Gaulle is comparable in size to our Wasp-class LHDs, which are amphibious assault ships. It's worth noting that we don't try to use those vessels as aircraft carriers for the launching of conventional fixed-wing platforms.

And no, I don't hate the French navy. Once upon a time, they came to our assistance off the Virginia Capes at a place called Yorktown. They also had two pleasant-looking battleships, the Richeliu and Jean Bart.
Additional thanks to Emperor Misha I of the Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler for bringing this back to my attention. Some of the comments for that posting reveal other problems, but I'd prefer that Misha get the traffic for the works of his visitors.

Posted by The Country Pundit at December 5, 2003



 
Canuck_25 said:
Wow, becoming more American by the year. We bash the french now because the U.S. does. Tell me, how to you enjoy your freedom fries, with vinegar or ketchup?

Indeed, maybe we should jack our obesity rates up a little more and start shooting each other more often while we're at it.
 
Glorified Ape said:
Indeed, maybe we should jack our obesity rates up a little more and start shooting each other more often while we're at it.

Wow, your really showing us all your sharp wit and well honed intelect.
 
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to take that, so I'll just consider it a compliment.
 
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