From "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" etc. -- PAY ISSUE

[MilEME09]

Here's a question:
Why doesn't the CAF just make a Master Corporal a full blown, completely separate rank on it's own? I mean, it is currently an "appointed position" rather than a fully fledged rank:  a position appointed to an individual based on their leadership abilities, knowledge and experience. However, isn't that what all promotions are based upon (in theory) anyhow? So why have this remain in a sort of grey area between ranks as it is right now?

i'd agree, really thats how it is from my eyes, maybe the appointment is so they dont have to pay a MCpl as much, i dont know about reg force, by reserve you go from Cpl IPC 4 to MCpl 1, and you actually loose money.

 

[dangerboy]

i'd agree, really thats how it is from my eyes, maybe the appointment is so they dont have to pay a MCpl as much, i dont know about reg force, by reserve you go from Cpl IPC 4 to MCpl 1, and you actually loose money.

Reg Force you go from Cpl IPC 4 (if that is what level you were) to MCpl IPC 4.  You don't lose money.

 

[Happy Guy]

i'd agree, really thats how it is from my eyes, maybe the appointment is so they dont have to pay a MCpl as much, i dont know about reg force, by reserve you go from Cpl IPC 4 to MCpl 1, and you actually loose money.

I'm not an expert in Res F pay but this doesn't make sense.  Normally if you are promoted with more responsibilities you do not lose any money.

 

[acen]

On the reserve side here: got promoted from Cpl IPC 4 to MCpl IPC 4. Very little in the way of increase, but an increase nonetheless.

 

[Haggis]

i'd agree, really thats how it is from my eyes, maybe the appointment is so they dont have to pay a MCpl as much, i dont know about reg force, by reserve you go from Cpl IPC 4 to MCpl 1, and you actually loose money.

Sorry, but this is wrong.

CBI 204.53(4) reads:

"204.53(4) (Pay – corporal) A corporal shall be paid at the rate of pay established for corporal (A) in the table to this instruction, except that a corporal who is holding the appointment of master corporal shall be paid at the rate of pay established for a corporal (B) in the Table to this instruction and at the same pay increment to which the member otherwise would have been entitled, as a corporal, had the member not been appointed master corporal."

So a Cpl A, IPC 3 ($137.50) who is appointed MCpl (Cpl "B" in the pay scale) goes to MCpl IPC 3 ($142.96).  You don't lose money.

 

[MilEME09]

I'm not an expert in Res F pay but this doesn't make sense.  Normally if you are promoted with more responsibilities you do not lose any money.

maybe my unit isn't doing it right but i know a few who got their leaf that went to IPC 1 for MCpl from IPC 4 Cpl, its not that much of a loss, but its still a loss.

 

[Haggis]

maybe my unit isn't doing it right but i know a few who got their leaf that went to IPC 1 for MCpl from IPC 4 Cpl, its not that much of a loss, but its still a loss.

I'd have them print out the CBI that I quoted above and bring it to their pay office.

 

[dapaterson]

maybe my unit isn't doing it right but i know a few who got their leaf that went to IPC 1 for MCpl from IPC 4 Cpl, its not that much of a loss, but its still a loss.

Your unit is not doing it right, nor is your CBG providing adequate oversight.

maybe my unit isn't doing it right but i know a few who got their leaf that went to IPC 1 for MCpl from IPC 4 Cpl, its not that much of a loss, but its still a loss.

 

[George Wallace]

Haggis quoted CBI 204.53(4)

That is the 'law'.  If your unit has been doing otherwise, they have now a very large Budget Problem; as now all its M/Cpls (past and present/serving and released) are due BACK PAY to the day that they were promoted, including any IPC level they may have moved through.  Someone is due for a severe slap on the wrist.

 

[OldSolduer]

Haggis quoted CBI 204.53(4)

That is the 'law'.  Someone is due for a severe slap on the wrist.

Several layers need good hard smack upside the head. Someone should have noticed this.

 

[Old Sweat]

Without being an "I told you so"ldier, the point that one cannot take a pay cut on promotion was first taught to me in recruit training in the RCA Depot in 1958.

 

[Pusser]

Without being an "I told you so"ldier, the point that one cannot take a pay cut on promotion was first taught to me in recruit training in the RCA Depot in 1958.

Actually, it is possible.  Morally wrong, but still possible with DEO officers who have received incentive increases as 2Lts (i.e. due to spending longer than one year in training and, therefore, not eligible for promotion to Lt on time).  There are also some issues with trainee pilots being promoted as General Service Officers during training, prior to getting their wings.  It's a huge mess and the subject of numerous grievances.  As far as I know, the system is still trying to sort it all out, based on the principle that one should never lose money on promotion.  I want to stress though that this situation is an unintended consequence of certain personnel policies combined with training backlogs.  The system is aware and working to fix it.