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FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities

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It’s legit. Came from DWComd section.



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With all the greenspace they have, these are an option

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And there are thousands of Canadian workers living in camps built by these guys all across the country:


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I don't get why the CAF doesn't make more PMQ and Singles Quarters on bases.
Yes, I understand the infrastructure requirements, and associated costs, but in some areas, it is the only reasonable method of housing, unless you expect they to take on second jobs. Frankly secured housing will also eliminate financial vulnerabilities that enemies can and will exploit.
 

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I don't get why the CAF doesn't make more PMQ and Singles Quarters on bases.
Yes, I understand the infrastructure requirements, and associated costs, but in some areas, it is the only reasonable method of housing, unless you expect they to take on second jobs. Frankly secured housing will also eliminate financial vulnerabilities that enemies can and will exploit.

One does not simply build more housing. Something something cost something quotes and contracting something years.
 

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I don't get why the CAF doesn't make more PMQ and Singles Quarters on bases.
Yes, I understand the infrastructure requirements, and associated costs, but in some areas, it is the only reasonable method of housing, unless you expect they to take on second jobs. Frankly secured housing will also eliminate financial vulnerabilities that enemies can and will exploit.
I doubt any government really wants to be in the housing business for its employees and our federal government seems to want to treat military personnel just like any other public servant. In some areas, would provided housing at local market rates just mean more places that cannot be afforded?

I think members would be torn between 'more of' and fix/modernize what exists.
 

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Agreed- but something something costs something etc was a known issue years ago.

It’s like the CAF enjoys being asleep at the switch. Which someone probably sold as a cost cutting endeavor…
Is it even a CAF issue? It strikes me it would be DND or even Treasury Board.
 

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It’s like the CAF enjoys being asleep at the switch. Which someone probably sold as a cost cutting endeavor…
The CAF is along for the ride in this, KevinB. The Govt reinforces the theme that CAF members and family are to be treated no differently than other Canadians when it comes to housing, hence why CFHA penny packeting housing in limited quantities but equalized to prevailing housing market pricing, and slow rolling PLD adjustments is the order of the day. I&Ws in the past let CAF members know that there would be less and less consideration to them and their families…elimination of Service Air benefits to dependents, etc.

Many of us don’t foresee the Govt doing much, if anything to assist more vulnerable CAF members and their families. “They’re asking more than [Canada] can give.”TM
 

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They can build all the PMQs in Comox but with the requirement to price them at market value, they'll be $1500/month anyway completely defeating the purpose. Step 1 should be to standardize PMQ prices across the country, Step 2 will be to cut provincial income tax for CAF members, Step 3 etc.

Damn it I thought I was in the PLD thread.
 

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They can build all the PMQs in Comox but with the requirement to price them at market value, they'll be $1500/month anyway completely defeating the purpose. Step 1 should be to standardize PMQ prices across the country, Step 2 will be to cut provincial income tax for CAF members, Step 3 etc.
TBS will never allow that because PSAC will flip their lid, again, because we were getting a benefit that they weren't entitled to.

Tying our pay to the PS has become more of a hinderance than a help unfortunately. They are able to CB for things we never will see, for less money. Not to mention a lot of trades within the CAF get screwed because our pay isn't tied to our equivalent PS Union based on classification.

PIPSC makes sure that an IT-3 is paid what industry would pay for those skills and experience, but since we base Specialist Pay on a percentage above the Basic Rate we are with to PSAC, Spec 1 trades in an equivalent role with the same skills and experience make 20k Less. Some with Aircrew, MPs, and Navy trades comparable to other unions the GoC have to negotiate with (RCMPPA, CBSAPA, CCGPA, etc).

If by some stroke of luck the CAF gets tax relief, or standardized rates for housing, I give it til the next round of PSAC bargaining before it disappears into thin air.
Damn it I thought I was in the PLD thread.
Sorry for the derail, however, I don't think most of the CAF or DND leaders are realizing this "administrative hiccup" has very real operational and strategic impacts. They talk about crews to fly and maintain them, but forget that they need a place to keep their kit and kin while they're there.

It can and will bite us in the ass eventually and I don't see it being treated like the operational linchpin it truly is.
 
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