Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread

[suffolkowner]

There is evidence for climate change not being man-made. Yet you deny this. Guess this makes you a science-denier.

the science doesnt support that statement so that would be incorrect. I cant deny evidence i dont know about

Evidence that AGW isnt true would require that global mean temperature would go down as CO2 levels went up over time considering all other forcings. That isnt true

 

[KeLouJoH]

the science doesnt support that statement so that would be incorrect. I cant deny evidence i dont know about

Evidence that AGW isnt true would require that global mean temperature would go down as CO2 levels went up over time considering all other forcings. That isnt true

My point is that two people can look at the same evidence and come up with different conclusions. One says, "this proves climate change is man-made!!" and the other goes, "Nah".

 

[suffolkowner]

My point is that two people can look at the same evidence and come up with different conclusions. One says, "this proves climate change is man-made!!" and the other goes, "Nah".

Can they? What two people are these? So a bunch of people looking at the synthesis work of the IPCC just up and conclude that the 14000 contributors are wrong? Based on what?

 

[KeLouJoH]

Can they? What two people are these? So a bunch of people looking at the synthesis work of the IPCC just up and conclude that the 14000 contributors are wrong? Based on what?

There are some scientists who doubt AGW.

 

[suffolkowner]

There are some scientists who doubt AGW.

Yes there are. There are very few who are climate scientists of any sort. You can also find biologists that deny evolution. Doctors that oppose vaccines

 

[KeLouJoH]

Yes there are. There are very few who are climate scientists of any sort. You can also find biologists that deny evolution. Doctors that oppose vaccines

Doctors who oppose covid "vaccines" are fine doctors.

 

[suffolkowner]

Doctors who oppose covid "vaccines" are fine doctors.

why?

 

[KeLouJoH]

why?

I don't want to derail this thread, so I will just say this: your precious "orthodoxy" means absolutely jack. Most of the time, most people are on the wrong side of history. Most people are wrong. When you have an overwhelming consensus of people, even if they are scientists, chances are, they are wrong.

 

[suffolkowner]

I don't want to derail this thread, so I will just say this: your precious "orthodoxy" means absolutely jack. Most of the time, most people are on the wrong side of history. Most people are wrong. When you have an overwhelming consensus of people, even if they are scientists, chances are, they are wrong.

is that true? Is that true of science? What consensus scientific theories? Theories are supplanted/replaced by newer ones that better explain the evidence, but how many of those had known issues? Im sure there are lots of examples but i dont know how comparable they are to AGW. How many of them have survived 200 yrs including over 50 yrs of modern science? What is the direction of the evidence over that time?

 

[KeLouJoH]

is that true? Is that true of science? What consensus scientific theories? Theories are supplanted/replaced by newer ones that better explain the evidence, but how many of those had known issues? Im sure there are lots of examples but i dont know how comparable they are to AGW. How many of them have survived 200 yrs including over 50 yrs of modern science? What is the direction of the evidence over that time?

The scientists you believe in could be wrong.

 

[Baz]

I don't want to derail this thread, so I will just say this: your precious "orthodoxy" means absolutely jack. Most of the time, most people are on the wrong side of history. Most people are wrong. When you have an overwhelming consensus of people, even if they are scientists, chances are, they are wrong.

Oh ffs…

This is not “most people,” this is people who have spent their entire career learning what they do. Have you actually talked to climate or vaccine experts, or is YouTube a peer reviewed scientific source now?

So there is this vast conspiracy to punish people, and these few outliers are the whistle blowers? It doesn’t take much to go from there to true conspiracies… flat earth anyone?

You know the thing that I find when I learn more about climate-deniers? At heart they think they should be more successful and some nefarious “them” took that away.

I’m really hope I say something soon to get me banned from here…

 

[suffolkowner]

The scientists you believe in could be wrong.

i dont believe in them. They could be. It would be the most astounding thing in the scientific world ever IMO. I struggle to find a comparison.

 

[KeLouJoH]

Oh ffs…

This is not “most people,” this is people who have spent their entire career learning what they do.

There are also people who "have spent their entire career learning what they do", and they doubt AGW.

Sounds like you only listen to the popular scientists and discount those who aren't.

Have you actually talked to climate or vaccine experts, or is YouTube a peer reviewed scientific source now?

Oh, so if I have doubts about vaccines, I must be a youtube watcher?

Seems like you have a lot of preconceptions about people. Maybe you should take your own advice and actually talk to people instead.

So there is this vast conspiracy to punish people,

I believe there is a conspiracy, but I am not sure whether it qualifies as being vast. I don't think its aim is to punish people. But I believe it's something very nefarious.

and these few outliers are the whistle blowers?

Correct.

It doesn’t take much to go from there to true conspiracies… flat earth anyone?

I love how to you anybody who doubts the official narratives is automatically a flat-earth, conspiracy theorist.

You know the thing that I find when I learn more about climate-deniers?

You call me climate-denier, I call you AGW-zealot. I guess we are now even.

At heart they think they should be more successful and some nefarious “them” took that away.

You watch too much TV and don't spend enough time interacting with actual people. If you did, you'd know that we don't think that.

I’m really hope I say something soon to get me banned from here…

I don't want you to get banned. I am not done punishing you yet.

 

[Baz]

I don't want you to get banned. I am not done punishing you yet.

Punishing me for what? Disagreeing with you?

And how exactly our you punishing me? Are you threatening me? Going to stalk me? Because if so it will be easy… I haven’t obfuscated my identity.

Why do you think you have the right to punish anybody?

Go fuck yourself.

 

[KeLouJoH]

Punishing me for what? Disagreeing with you?

And how exactly our you punishing me? Are you threatening me? Going to stalk me? Because if so it will be easy… I haven’t obfuscated my identity.

Why do you think you have the right to punish anybody?

Punish you, as in, completely dominate you and humiliate you in a debate.

Go fuck yourself.

Sounds like I succeeded.

 

[suffolkowner]

There are also people who "have spent their entire career learning what they do", and they doubt AGW.

Sounds like you only listen to the popular scientists and discount those who aren't.

if 14000 mechanics tell you there is something wrong with your car and 14 bakers disagree, which advice would you follow?

Oh, so if I have doubts about vaccines, I must be a youtube watcher?

vaccines have been one of the greatest discoveries/inventions in human history

I believe there is a conspiracy, but I am not sure whether it qualifies as being vast. I don't think its aim is to punish people. But I believe it's something very nefarious.

Correct.

a conspiracy of tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people seems like a hard thing to keep a lid on

I love how to you anybody who doubts the official narratives are automatically flat-earth, conspiracy theorists.

depends if the doubts are reasonable i guess

 

[Baz]

Punish you, as in, completely dominate you and humiliate you in a debate.

Sounds like I succeeded.

Nope, only in your head. You haven’t changed antibodies mind, just showed the whole world who you are.

And what kind of narcissistic asshole gets a kick of humiliating some random person on the internet?

 

[KeLouJoH]

Nope, only in your head. You haven’t changed antibodies mind, just showed the whole world who you are.

And what kind of narcissistic asshole gets a kick of humiliating some random person on the internet?

Sir, you insulted me first. I was just responding in kind.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

And this thread is locked for a cooling off period.

(Yes I saw what I did there)