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Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread

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What they agreed to in Durban  . . . 

"Main points:

    Ø A new International Climate Court will have the power to compel Western nations to pay ever-larger sums to third-world countries in the name of making reparation for supposed “climate debt”. The Court will have no power over third-world countries. Here and throughout the draft, the West is the sole target. “The process” is now irredeemably anti-Western.

    Ø “Rights of Mother Earth”: The draft, which seems to have been written by feeble-minded green activists and environmental extremists, talks of “The recognition and defence of the rights of Mother Earth to ensure harmony between humanity and nature”. Also, “there will be no commodification [whatever that may be: it is not in the dictionary and does not deserve to be] of the functions of nature, therefore no carbon market will be developed with that purpose”.

    Ø “Right to survive”: The draft childishly asserts that “The rights of some Parties to survive are threatened by the adverse impacts of climate change, including sea level rise.” At 2 inches per century, according to eight years’ data from the Envisat satellite? Oh, come off it! The Jason 2 satellite, the new kid on the block, shows that sea-level has actually dropped over the past three years.

    Ø War and the maintenance of defence forces and equipment are to cease – just like that – because they contribute to climate change. There are other reasons why war ought to cease, but the draft does not mention them.
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Now that's how I define success.  I am sure Lizzie May is tres excited.

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GAP said:
And who signed onto this stupidity?.....

Maybe the same idiots who signed up to this piece of stupidity

"the United States Navy is reportedly slated to spend $12 million at a rate of $15 per gallon on a biofuel-gasoline blend -- a purchase justified by the proposition that dependence on oil is a national security threat.

"We are doing this for one simple reason: It makes us better fighters," Navy Secretary Ray Mabus said, according to a National Journal report last week. "Our use of fossil fuels is a very real threat to our national security and to the U.S. Navy ability to protect America and project power overseas.""



http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/us-navy-paying-15gallon-green-fuel/250266

 
. . . just because it is the Christmas season  . . .

"On the first day of Doomsville, alarmists gave to me…

12 Days in Durban

11 Journos hyping

10 Temps-not-Leaping

9 Mann’s-a-Dancing"


http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/43151

 
Haletown said:
Maybe the same idiots who signed up to this piece of stupidity

"the United States Navy is reportedly slated to spend $12 million at a rate of $15 per gallon on a biofuel-gasoline blend -- a purchase justified by the proposition that dependence on oil is a national security threat.

"We are doing this for one simple reason: It makes us better fighters," Navy Secretary Ray Mabus said, according to a National Journal report last week. "Our use of fossil fuels is a very real threat to our national security and to the U.S. Navy ability to protect America and project power overseas.""



http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/us-navy-paying-15gallon-green-fuel/250266

He needs to read the "No Oil" thread. Shale oil, fracking "tight oil" shale, using the FT process to reconstitute natural gas to liquid fuel (or break down coal into a clean liquid...); we're swimming in the stuff...
 
The honest environmentalists, the folks who want clear air and water, have lost the "shouting" war to the extremists who want to punish humanity for being the dominant species on the planet.

The green extreme relies upon bad science and a hard left, Marxist misapprehension of economics and history to make their "case." Thus, they have no case, but because they shout loudest, and with some skill and imagination, the media (which is, generally, scientifically and economically illiterate) glorifies them and gives their non-existant "case" some legitimacy. It's the blind leading the blind, who then inform the sheep.
 
Good news, according to the Globe and Mail which say's Canada pulls plug on Kyoto climate-change accord.

The report goes on to say that Canada, by withdrawing, will not be liable for $14 Billion in penalties because we, under successive Liberal and Conservative governments, never met the targets to which Jean Chrétien agreed.

Why did we agree to such unrealistic targets? The Chrétien government was trying to outdo the Clinton administration in being "green." It was all domestic political window dressing, neither Canada nor the USA had any plan to meet the targets.
 
The idiots who signed on for $16/gal fuel were only following the crony capitalist script:

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/11/navy-buys-biofuel-for-16-a-gallon/

Navy buys biofuel for $16 a gallon
POSTED AT 7:00 PM ON DECEMBER 11, 2011 BY J.E. DYER
   
This is going to help the Defense Department weather looming budget cuts, for sure.  Teaming up with the Department of Agriculture (which has a cheery Rotary Club ring to it), the Navy has purchased 450,000 gallons of biofuel for about $16 a gallon, or about 4 times the price of its standard marine fuel, JP-5, which has been going for under $4 a gallon.

You won’t be surprised to learn that a member of Obama’s presidential transition team, T. J. Glauthier, is a “strategic advisor” at Solazyme, the California company that is selling a portion of the biofuel to the Navy.  Glauthier worked – shock, shock – on the energy-sector portion of the 2009 stimulus bill.

The Navy sale isn’t Solazyme’s first trip to the public trough, of course.  The company got a $21.8 million grant from the 2009 stimulus package.


Solazyme’s partner in the biofuel sale is Dynamic Fuels, a Louisiana company owned jointly by Tyson Foods and Tulsa-based Syntroleum.  Tyson and Syntroleum are distinguished by having profitable lines of business that do not rely on government grants to unprofitable “green” projects.  This does not make their biofuel product price-competitive with fossil fuels, however.  (They were induced to develop biofuel manufacturing processes by a combination of subsidies and tax breaks.)

The Dynamic Fuels plant was opened for business in Geismar, LA in 2010, becoming by far the largest biofuels plant in North America – and reportedly, in combination with a plant in Finland, a producer of 94% of the world’s biofuels.  This is great boosterism stuff, but the biofuels produced by Dynamic Fuels are still considerably more expensive than the fossil-fuel alternative.  Dynamic Fuels has begun supplying aviation biofuel to KLM, the Dutch flag carrier, but of course, the use of more-expensive biofuels by commercial carriers has to be subsidized by governments.

If governments stopped subsidizing biofuels, their artificial “profitability” would disappear overnight.  Price-wise, they can’t compete with fossil fuels.  The day may come when they can, but subsidizing them while they don’t is not a method with any record of success for encouraging price efficiency.  What it does instead is create languishing public dependencies and tremendous opportunities for cronyism, as demonstrated in the Solyndra scandal.

As the Institute for Energy Research article (top link) indicates, the US has enormous reserves of both conventional and unconventional oil and natural gas resources.  Opening them up for exploitation would, among other things, ensure that the US armed forces could buy cheaper fuel – cheaper than today’s prices – produced in the USA.  At a time when federal debt is spiraling and the Defense Department is facing budget cuts that are guaranteed to gut the fighting forces and render them ineffective, it seems to border on insane to eschew a ready, significantly cheaper alternative and require the armed services to quadruple what they pay for fuel as a proof of concept – apparently with the idea that the forces should buy more of the 4-times-as-expensive fuel.  This is, after all, our national security we’re talking about.

J.E. Dyer’s articles have appeared at The Green Room, Commentary’s “contentions,” Patheos, The Weekly Standard online, and her own blog, The Optimistic Conservative.
 
message from the UN to Canada"

"the new push towards a universal, legal climate agreement in the near future.

I regret that Canada has announced it will withdraw and am surprised over its timing. Whether or not Canada is a Party to the Kyoto Protocol, it has a legal obligation under the Convention to reduce its emissions, and a moral obligation to itself and future generations to lead in the global effort. Industrialized countries whose emissions have risen significantly since 1990, as is the case for Canada, remain in a weaker position to call on developing countries to limit their emissions."


Isn't  it wonderful when UN leeches and other assorted world government wannbe marxist progressives whine?

Can't wait for Suzuki and May to get their  CBC time to do their whining.


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/13/email-from-unfccc-we-wont-let-canada-out-of-the-kyoto-convention/#more-53024

 
You would whine too if you stood to lose 14 billion dollars for graft....er.....assisting third world countries with their climate change costs.....
 
From the Greenies are Morons file . . . jaw dropping dishonesty & conspiracy.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/13/national-academy-of-sciences-appointee-caught-making-up-stuff-to-win-lawsuit-rico-lawsuit-follows/

It has always been know many greenie climate scientologists invented data, hid declines, refused to publish methods etc, but these idiots believed that just because they were being made famous in an eco-documentary movie, the laws didn't apply to them.

Let us hope the end up with massive fines, much jail time and every verdict in every case where they the expert witnesses gets tossed.
 
The crying begins:

http://thesecretsofvancouver.com/wordpress/the-pot-calling-the-kettle-black/environment?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DiscoveringTheSecretsOfVancouver+%28Discovering+The+Secrets+Of+Vancouver%29

The Pot Calling The Kettle Black
December 13th, 2011 Posted in environment
Give me a break…

From our Venezuelan newspaper: China and India lead condemnation of Canada’s Kyoto withdrawal

I’ve spent a total of 14 weeks in China this year, and although the people are REALLY green focused, the reality is they are 10x as bad as we were in the worst era of our polluting. The government there knows now is the time to build -when it’s cheap, and does little to reign in polluters… in fact, they are the biggest polluters. India has problems that would take a book to explain.

The reality is that we are cleaner than since the beginning of the industrial revolution, have more trees than ever, and have water that we can drink in every city.

So what’s the problem?

We put an end to extortion, as well as an end to a dark era where we were sucked into making our manufacturing unaffordable. We have stopped wealth creation instead of enriching the Global Warming Cartel.

“It is regrettable and flies in the face of the efforts of the international community for Canada to leave the Kyoto Protocol at a time when the Durban meeting, as everyone knows, made important progress by securing a second phase of commitment to the protocol,” said Liu Weimin, a spokesman for China’s Foreign Ministry.

Canada stopped the transfer of our wealth dead in its tracks.. now the howling from the cartel begins.
 
This from the CBC comments section sums it up:

"If our reputation is based on handing over fourteen billion dollars to thieves to buy friends, then it's not worth having."
 
ModlrMike said:
This from the CBC comments section sums it up:

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    "If our reputation is based on handing over fourteen billion dollars to thieves to buy friends, then it's not worth having."

Somebody at the CBC has some 'splaining to do.  Letting some common sense filter through in their comments is a CBC Corporate No-No.

Can't be Progressive and have common sense.  You have to have "beliefs".

 
MJP said:
Wow.  Sent a complaint into Advertising Standards Canada. http://www.adstandards.com/en/Standards/consumerSubmission.asp  If they get a myriad of complaints it will make things tough for David Suzuki and his advocacy slush fund.

Well, that was a bust.....

Re: Our Case #17213 – David Suzuki Foundation – Internet Advertisement
Advertising Standards Canada (ASC) received your e-mail expressing concern regarding the above-mentioned advertising.
ASC administers the Canadian Code of Advertising Standards, the principal instrument of advertising self-regulation. The Code's clauses set the criteria for acceptable advertising. Consumer concerns about advertising messages in Canada are evaluated against the criteria contained in the Code, available on ASC’s website listed above.
In light of your concern, ASC staff carefully reviewed the advertising. In our evaluation, the advertisement is not directed to children, but rather to adults. The website uses mature language to explain its purpose, and a credit card is required to respond to the campaign. Additionally, we did not find that the website presented issues regarding climate change in a manner that was exploitative or misleading. After careful evaluation, we did not identify an issue under the Code with this advertising and have closed our file on this matter..
Thank you for taking the time to write and for your interest in our self-regulatory process.
Yours sincerely,
Amy Kedrosky
 
As did I. Clearly they were looking at a different site than I was.  :facepalm:
 
The observations of this expedition make nonsense of the "hockey stick" and other nonsensical predictons about AGW. The date is pretty important as well:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/outdoors/survival/stories/why-the-british-were-doomed-to-lose-the-race-to-the-south-pole-6617203?click=pm_latest

Why the British Were Doomed to Lose the Race to the South Pole

One hundred years ago today, Norwegian Roald Amundsen became the first person to reach the bottom of the world. But for his competitor, British explorer Robert Falcon Scott, the race ultimately proved deadly: Scott and his team froze to death on their return trip. What many people don't realize is that the rivals were unevenly matched from the start. Pulitzer Prize–winning historian Edward Larson, author of the new book An Empire of Ice: Scott, Shackleton, and the Heroic Age of Antarctic Science, tells PM the story.
By Stephanie Warren

December 14, 2011 12:00 PM

How did the journey to the south pole become a race?

Scott happened to be the captain in charge of the first British expedition to the Antarctic, the Discovery expedition. There were scientists on this and other expeditions doing all sorts of research: paleontological, meteorological, magnetic. The idea of getting to the pole sort of grew on Scott over the course of these expeditions. He was superfluous to the science, so he was free to try for the pole. So, on Scott's final expedition, the Terra Nova, he announced that he would try to get to the pole.

Meanwhile, while Scott was preparing to go, Amundsen announced that he was trying to take an expedition to the north pole. He was a wonderful explorer. He'd already been to Antarctica, been the first to traverse the Northwest Passage. While he was planning this, two different explorers, Frederick Cook and Robert Peary, claimed to have reached the north pole. They never did, but they claimed it. So Amundsen quietly changed his destination. He didn't tell anyone what he was doing. It was only after he was on the way, only at his last port of call that notices were sent to the world of what he was doing.

When did Scott find out that he had competition?

Scott heard about it only when he was at his last port of call in Australia. But by that time, it was too late to change his plans. He had planned a very deliberate trip to the south pole, because he didn't know he would be in any kind of competition. Which was sort of interesting, because he didn't know how to mush dogs [Scott's team used man-hauling instead of dog sleds], and Amundsen did, because of his Northwest Passage expedition.

What Scott was planning to do was use tractors and dogs and ponies to place food and supplies across the ice shelf [for the party bound for the pole to use]. He planned a slow, deliberate route. It was designed for safety—ironically, since it, of course, didn't work out that way. But Amundsen went with just one party, and they just dashed down and dashed back, with dog sleds and skiing. They basically just raced down to the pole and raced back. So you had a very uneven competition.

Why didn't Scott make it?

The plan itself should have worked. He wouldn't have beaten Amundsen, but he should have gotten down and back successfully. He had a lot of bad luck. The weather turned cold, which was the big thing, and half of the ponies that were crucial for bringing food down died early in a freak accident. The seals on the stores of fuel broke, and fuel leaked out, so they didn't have enough fuel, which contributed to them freezing to death.

But Scott also made some terrible, terrible mistakes. He planned on four people going to the pole, but then he changed his mind at the last minute. He had food and supplies for four people but ended up taking an extra person at the last minute. The guy didn't even have skis; he had to walk.

Still, Scott would have made it despite the mistakes—he fell only 11 miles short. It took a combination of bad luck and poor choices. Even if he had made it, though, he was doomed to fall behind Amundsen. Amundsen's human accomplishment was remarkable. The scientific accomplishment of Scott's expedition was magnificent.

What was so scientifically interesting about Antarctica to them?

The British ran a series of expeditions that were primarily scientific research expeditions to Antarctica beginning in 1901. Before that, no one even knew there was a continent in Antarctica. They didn't know anything about the place. They knew there was some land down there, but they thought it might be an archipelago, and that the pole could easily just be on an ice cap.

But research suggested that Antarctica was probably a continent, based on the type of seafloor debris dropped by the icebergs that floated north, and they had some clues that Antarctica governed the global climate and the currents from the oceans, from the cold down there. The fossil records in South America, Africa, and Australia suggested that there was a southern continent and that it was once connected to Antarctica. So there were things pointing to a scientifically interesting body of land down there that no one had ever explored.

What did the scientists in Scott's party find out?

There were endless scientific discoveries that had nothing to do with Scott: that Antarctica was a continent; that it was once, indeed, much warmer; and that there was once rich flora—the whole area was once vegetated; and that it had then gotten colder but was now warming up again. They documented quite a lot of glacial retreat. They also made it to the south magnetic pole and did the first extensive work in terrestrial magnetism, to determine exactly how magnetic lines lay, which are curved. Before they did that, you didn't know exactly where a compass was pointing.

They took a seismograph down and established that the Ring of Fire continues on around through the Ross Sea. They determined the life cycle of emperor penguins. They studied how glaciers move.

In combination with other scientific expeditions, they established for the first time that there was a global ecology, that the entire world is interconnected, and that the most central feature in that system for determining climate and weather and the ocean currents is the Antarctic. Most of the fresh water in the world is in this huge, 9000-foot-high reservoir of ice, and it plays a huge role in governing the global ecology.

It was amazing what Amundsen did, but he didn't do any science. He didn't have any pretensions to do any science—he was simply trying to make it to the pole and back. And he did it magnificently, obviously much better than Scott. Scott never intended to be in a race. He thought his expedition was going to do first-rate science, and in typical British fashion, bag the pole on the side. And his lack of focus certainly handicapped him.

Read more: Why the British Were Doomed to Lose the Race to the South Pole - 100th Anniversary of Reaching the South Pole - Popular Mechanics
 
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