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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
Hey, Justin, polls show a majority of Canadians now want 2% GDP spending on defence. Maybe you should check it out with your colleagues Boris and Xi to see if they recommend it...after all, that’s the Canadian way of doing things.

64% is pretty amazing. Not sure how these clowns can avoid this.

Mind you, I think something like 80% of Canadians want us to take a tougher stance with Beijing, yet we still haven’t expelled any Chinese “diplomats” yet… 🤦‍♂️
 
64% is pretty amazing. Not sure how these clowns can avoid this.

Mind you, I think something like 80% of Canadians want us to take a tougher stance with Beijing, yet we still haven’t expelled any Chinese “diplomats” yet… 🤦‍♂️
I must say, the media, for all its imperfections and generally pro-liberal bias, have been on Justin’s tail for quite some time about his lack of sufficient defence spending.
 
It's likely already been discussed in this thread, but increasing spending won't make the CAF more effective, we will just have a bigger budget to buy useless crap like desks and chairs. We need a complete overhaul with a massive investment in base housing and infrastructure. Then figure out a way how to recruit and retain people. All these new toys, like the F-35, will just sit in hangars and warehouses with no one around to use them. We are not ready to receive and use new equipment.
 
Canada has a huge Ukrainian population. So perhaps the Russian invasion has some people finally waking TF up about defence spending.
I am seeig this firsthand. I'm a young guy and work in post secondary ed so my surroundings are basically as left leaning as you can get but even here people are talking positively about the military (begrudgingly). Lots of young people here have grandparents in Ukraine that are being affected and the false sense of safety they've had for the last 2 generations has been shattered.
 
I must say, the media, for all its imperfections and generally pro-liberal bias, have been on Justin’s tail for quite some time about his lack of sufficient defence spending.
You know, I have come around to thinking that the media, with the exception of CBC and the Toronto Star, actually try to be fair, despite their centre-left biases. As I’ve said before, I believe that centre-left bias is from journalists coming from the same j-schools and other institutions, rather than some nefarious plot. Like a fish in water that doesn’t know it’s wet, many might not even see their biases. Mostly, if a scandal involving the Liberals or NDP lands on their desk, they will probably run with it. CBC will probably excuse it and blame the Tories.
 
It's likely already been discussed in this thread, but increasing spending won't make the CAF more effective, we will just have a bigger budget to buy useless crap like desks and chairs. We need a complete overhaul with a massive investment in base housing and infrastructure. Then figure out a way how to recruit and retain people. All these new toys, like the F-35, will just sit in hangars and warehouses with no one around to use them. We are not ready to receive and use new equipment.

OR....

Plan on spending more money on airfare and let people disperse across the country while operating with 2 to 4 week shifts/tours.

When you claim more real estate per person than anyone else on the planet (Pacific Islanders excluded) then it is going to cost you money to maintain it and secure it.
 
It's likely already been discussed in this thread, but increasing spending won't make the CAF more effective, we will just have a bigger budget to buy useless crap like desks and chairs. We need a complete overhaul with a massive investment in base housing and infrastructure. Then figure out a way how to recruit and retain people. All these new toys, like the F-35, will just sit in hangars and warehouses with no one around to use them. We are not ready to receive and use new equipment.

Send all the money to LRP. We have uses for infrastructure and planes and stuff. We will take it all!
 
Hey, Justin, polls show a majority of Canadians now want 2% GDP spending on defence. Maybe you should check it out with your colleagues Boris and Xi to see if they recommend it...after all, that’s the Canadian way of doing things.

Here's a link to the report.


What I find interesting is that Quebec is in the middle ground when it comes to favouring spending at 2% rather than at the bottom - but not by much.

OTOH, Quebec shows the least concern about Canada's military operational abilities - but not by much.

Wonder if that will have an impact?

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Here's a link to the report.



What I find interesting is that Quebec is in the middle ground when it comes to favouring spending at 2% rather than at the bottom - but not by much.

OTOH, Quebec shows the least concern about Canada's military operational abilities - but not by much.

Wonder if that will have an impact?

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Hah! Thanks for the link, I had the exact same thoughts upon reading the article and was looking for the actual report.

My tentative explanation is that Quebeccers might be least concerned about Canada's standing, but still care about contributing?

Quebec also least supportive of enhanced operation in Haiti, despite the common language. A tinge of anti-imperialism, perhaps?
 
Plan on spending more money on airfare and let people disperse across the country while operating with 2 to 4 week shifts/tours.

I would rather see enough Q's built for families and condo-style apartments for single members at each base, with no monthly charge. The difference given as an allowance to purchase on the economy. Not a fan of a FIFO type of work schedule, but to each their own.

Send all the money to LRP. We have uses for infrastructure and planes and stuff. We will take it all!

I'd come to comox in a heart beat if I didn't have to live on air force beach in a camper.
 
Send all the money to LRP. We have uses for infrastructure and planes and stuff. We will take it all!

But that totally ignores the fact that every key decision maker in Ottawa has just watched the coronation and will now be planning our next new uniform, which will be really expensive but (fortunately) already part Canadian ;)


queens guards GIF
 
But that totally ignores the fact that every key decision maker in Ottawa has just watched the coronation and will now be planning our next new uniform, which will be really expensive but (fortunately) already part Canadian ;)


queens guards GIF
Watch that shine Soldier
 
My tentative explanation is that Quebeccers might be least concerned about Canada's standing, but still care about contributing?
Yep, even if Quebec understand that Canada standing = business, I would says that's a good tentative explanation.
Quebec also least supportive of enhanced operation in Haiti, despite the common language. A tinge of anti-imperialism, perhaps?
I don't believe it's anti-imperialism. The last time it was supported because of the ''we're here to hep''. Once, yes, twice, yes third time...come on is more the feeling.
 
No reason we shouldnt be in AUKUS other than our own desire to not be in it. We have followed the path of New Zealand a little too much to my liking. We made our place at the kids table but maybe it is finally getting through to some that we dont have the capability to act in the nations interest anymore. We could certainly use 6 SSN and need to refurbish the NORAD sites. This government is not one I think anyone trusts
 
I don't believe it's anti-imperialism. The last time it was supported because of the ''we're here to hep''. Once, yes, twice, yes third time...come on is more the feeling.
I'm sure that's a factor in the disapproval of such a prospect, but I reckon it is as applicable to Quebeccers as it is to other Canadians, and thus does not serve to explain the difference.
 
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