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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
pretty, but so what? How often do dress uniforms even leave the closet? People won't join the armed forces until the guidance and teaching community in high school present service as a viable option for a career and the press stop running down the military every chance they get. There are 30 years of bad attitude on the part of educators to reverse and on top of that is the me culture. Even Macdonald's is having trouble filling their rosters with students who actually work for their pay
Just wait until the Libs and/or Socialists roll out 'basic life income' of 25-30k for everyone who wants it.
 
So everyone gets the basic life income, then a salary from employment income is extra right? Otherwise its just an excuse for people not to be employed.
Please tell me that you're joking right? That is not how they envision it.
 
So everyone gets the basic life income, then a salary from employment income is extra right? Otherwise its just an excuse for people not to be employed.
I don't think you understand the program they are cooking. The basic idea is everyone gets a "basic" income. This whole thing is based on the idea the future is going to be so awesome because of the tech companies that there will not be enough jobs. So the government will pay you to do what you want. The tech companies are are in love with this idea. Because secretly they know they will be receiving the bulk of the money as you sit and buy V-bucks, Meta Credits, Amazon prime, Spotify, etc. Silicon valley is in love with this idea. I don't blame them they will make not billions...but trillions. COVID was the dry run and its was great! for them. (this is not even tin foil hat stuff)

The problem is Maggie was right. You eventually run out of other people money.

Too stop gravity they are working on the concept of New Monetary Theory and then digital currency.

I can go farther but most don't want to hear. :)
 
Money is just a medium of exchange. Wealth is what people do with their time. Some uses of time are valued by others, and some are not. The more of the latter, the less we all consume. The less you can consume, the lower your standard of living.
 
WW3 looms. NATO asks for more and Army.ca is debating 2SLGBTQIA+ on the budget increase thread and uniforms on the Force 2025 thread.
Well, GC and DND isn't dictating policy based on our posts* so why not talk about other things? We have plenty of threads talking about Ukraine, etc.


* or are they?! :sneaky:
 
I don't think you understand the program they are cooking. The basic idea is everyone gets a "basic" income. This whole thing is based on the idea the future is going to be so awesome because of the tech companies that there will not be enough jobs. So the government will pay you to do what you want. The tech companies are are in love with this idea. Because secretly they know they will be receiving the bulk of the money as you sit and buy V-bucks, Meta Credits, Amazon prime, Spotify, etc. Silicon valley is in love with this idea. I don't blame them they will make not billions...but trillions. COVID was the dry run and its was great! for them. (this is not even tin foil hat stuff)

The problem is Maggie was right. You eventually run out of other people money.

Too stop gravity they are working on the concept of New Monetary Theory and then digital currency.

I can go farther but most don't want to hear. :)

No please, go on. Seriously.
 
I don't think you understand the program they are cooking. The basic idea is everyone gets a "basic" income. This whole thing is based on the idea the future is going to be so awesome because of the tech companies that there will not be enough jobs. So the government will pay you to do what you want. The tech companies are are in love with this idea. Because secretly they know they will be receiving the bulk of the money as you sit and buy V-bucks, Meta Credits, Amazon prime, Spotify, etc. Silicon valley is in love with this idea. I don't blame them they will make not billions...but trillions. COVID was the dry run and its was great! for them. (this is not even tin foil hat stuff)

The problem is Maggie was right. You eventually run out of other people money.

Too stop gravity they are working on the concept of New Monetary Theory and then digital currency.

I can go farther but most don't want to hear. :)
In the meantime, those same tech companies have thousands of job vacancies. And they can't find enough qualified applicants in countries such as ours because our education system sucks and our citizenry lacks the motivation to do the work of yesterday and today, let alone the work of the future.
 
Sure. But better to anticipate how bullies think, and avoid war by not projecting what they might interpret as weakness. Avoid the unnecessary battle.
 
No please, go on. Seriously.
I'm sure you have heard the "great reset" And You will own nothing and be happy.

I have for the last few years and especially the last two been trying to use Hanlon's Razor as the reason for things that are happening....it is becoming harder and harder all the time.

Question to ask yourself.
 
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