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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
The first Western military to succumb to an attack from within

What happens to a country when its military can no longer defend it? That is the question Canadians should be asking right now. The Canadian Armed Forces (caf) is facing an existential crisis.

How did Canada become the first major Western nation to have a military that can’t fulfill its primary reason for existence? There are a myriad of factors at play, but the most important to realize is that it was a deliberate agenda to collapse the Canadian Armed Forces.


Just want to add here - I am NOT a follower, subscriber to this 'Tumpter' - I'm just putting this here as another source to what others believe is occuring to the CAF.

That was an interesting article, until it went all religious.
 
That was an interesting article, until it went all religious.
so stop reading when you come to those paragraphs. the initial arguments should be considered seriously without allowing your biases (justified or otherwise) to cause us to discard them as right wing propaganda.
 
That was an interesting article, until it went all religious.

And 'Communist Conspiracy' theorist... FFS... journalism like this needs to be treated as toxic waste:


"This is the motivation behind what is happening in the caf. Not all leaders are Communists, but many in top positions are. Mr. Armstrong explained in a 1968 Plain Truth: “It injects trained Communists into many movements and societies—themselves not Communist—and subtly influences them into moves and actions that secretly are Communist-planned and directed. Yet the officers, and most members of such organizations are not, themselves, Communist and do not realize they are being used.” The culture change in the caf, and its radical reorganization, is following this pattern."
 
so stop reading when you come to those paragraphs. the initial arguments should be considered seriously without allowing your biases (justified or otherwise) to cause us to discard them as right wing propaganda.
There are valid points in the first half of the article.

I don't think its a carefully orchestrated effort to collapse the CAF by the Liberals. I believe the Liberals are too incompetent to plan and execute something like that. I think its more a "Defence? WHo really fucking cares" attitude by the LPC
 
so stop reading when you come to those paragraphs. the initial arguments should be considered seriously without allowing your biases (justified or otherwise) to cause us to discard them as right wing propaganda.

You ok bub ? Need a dart and a good scream ? Let'er out.
 
And 'Communist Conspiracy' theorist... FFS... journalism like this needs to be treated as toxic waste:


"This is the motivation behind what is happening in the caf. Not all leaders are Communists, but many in top positions are. Mr. Armstrong explained in a 1968 Plain Truth: “It injects trained Communists into many movements and societies—themselves not Communist—and subtly influences them into moves and actions that secretly are Communist-planned and directed. Yet the officers, and most members of such organizations are not, themselves, Communist and do not realize they are being used.” The culture change in the caf, and its radical reorganization, is following this pattern."

Agreed. Ridiculous.
 
There are valid points in the first half of the article.

I don't think its a carefully orchestrated effort to collapse the CAF by the Liberals. I believe the Liberals are too incompetent to plan and execute something like that. I think its more a "Defence? WHo really fucking cares" attitude by the LPC
To be completely honest you could include the rest of political parties as well. Sadly it has pretty much been the case through out Canadian history.
 
And 'Communist Conspiracy' theorist... FFS... journalism like this needs to be treated as toxic waste:


"This is the motivation behind what is happening in the caf. Not all leaders are Communists, but many in top positions are. Mr. Armstrong explained in a 1968 Plain Truth: “It injects trained Communists into many movements and societies—themselves not Communist—and subtly influences them into moves and actions that secretly are Communist-planned and directed. Yet the officers, and most members of such organizations are not, themselves, Communist and do not realize they are being used.” The culture change in the caf, and its radical reorganization, is following this pattern."
Communists…facists…
 
To be completely honest you could include the rest of political parties as well. Sadly it has pretty much been the case through out Canadian history.
I agree that all parties have been responsible for the decline of our military. However, with the possible exception of Louis St. Laurent’s government, the Liberals deserve the most blame for the state we’re in. The Conservatives have been marginally better.
 
And 'Communist Conspiracy' theorist... FFS... journalism like this needs to be treated as toxic waste:


"This is the motivation behind what is happening in the caf. Not all leaders are Communists, but many in top positions are. Mr. Armstrong explained in a 1968 Plain Truth: “It injects trained Communists into many movements and societies—themselves not Communist—and subtly influences them into moves and actions that secretly are Communist-planned and directed. Yet the officers, and most members of such organizations are not, themselves, Communist and do not realize they are being used.” The culture change in the caf, and its radical reorganization, is following this pattern."
Holy Red Scare, Batman…
 
There are valid points in the first half of the article.

I don't think its a carefully orchestrated effort to collapse the CAF by the Liberals. I believe the Liberals are too incompetent to plan and execute something like that. I think its more a "Defence? WHo really fucking cares" attitude by the LPC
"Defence? Who really fucking cares" attitude by the people of Canada. FTFY
 
Never ascribe to conspiracy what can be explained by spontaneous order emerging from the individually applied biases of people abusing position and/or authority.
 
Never ascribe to conspiracy what can be explained by spontaneous order emerging from the individually applied biases of people abusing position and/or authority.

Like those scary EAs ;)

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Amazing the things you can do if you have money.


Now if only we had stuff to sell and people willing to buy...
 
Never ascribe to conspiracy what can be explained by spontaneous order emerging from the individually applied biases of people abusing position and/or authority.

On the other hand you can't discount conspiracy completely - people do co-operate to effect change.

Where the problem arises is ascribing the conspiracy to the Commies, the Illuminati, Opus Dei or the WEF. My take is that in all of those groups, and many others, there are lots of people trying to conspire. The good news is that they are as effective as any other aspiring governments.
 
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