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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
What an odd turn this thread took. Complete with 2010s Facebook dad posters.

Anywho. We're broke, we know it. I wonder if this policy will survive first contact with the Tories in 2025 (if this trend in the polls continue). I'd hope they would accelerate the timelines quite substantially.
 
What an odd turn this thread took. Complete with 2010s Facebook dad posters.
Another day on the internet, my dude 😉

Anywho. We're broke, we know it. I wonder if this policy will survive first contact with the Tories in 2025 (if this trend in the polls continue). I'd hope they would accelerate the timelines quite substantially.
Bolded these 3 things, and I think you're going to find out they're all incompatible.

PP is hitching his wagon to cutting taxes, fixing the economy, and trimming government size. I doubt "more money to the CAF!" fits into that slide deck.
 
Another day on the internet, my dude 😉


Bolded these 3 things, and I think you're going to find out they're all incompatible.

PP is hitching his wagon to cutting taxes, fixing the economy, and trimming government size. I doubt "more money to the CAF!" fits into that slide deck.
I'm well aware. But I can still hope and dream lmao. I'd just want my armoured unit to actually have running vehicles. 😂
 
All true, but I am still saying that making a civilian airliner into an ASW aircraft is not “hand wave, we will bolt a bunch of mission stations in and have it done next week” exercise.

Modifying a commercial fuselage for a bomb bay is not trivial exercise. Weapon separation trials are not a trivial exercise. EMI/EMC trials are not trivial.

Everything is doable- please send money. And with a coherent project management structure. And with a few years.
Same goes for fast cars. You can drop a modern Hemi in a 70 Challenger but the whole electronic suite has to accompany it AND the 6 or 8 speed transmission
 
Same goes for fast cars. You can drop a modern Hemi in a 70 Challenger but the whole electronic suite has to accompany it AND the 6 or 8 speed transmission

Watched a Highway to Hell replay yesterday. Towing modern pickups out of the water. Write-offs. Electrics fried.
Same kind of problem with modern cars and electric locks and windows.

Electric Jeeps just don't make sense to me.
 
What an odd turn this thread took. Complete with 2010s Facebook dad posters.

Anywho. We're broke, we know it. I wonder if this policy will survive first contact with the Tories in 2025 (if this trend in the polls continue). I'd hope they would accelerate the timelines quite substantially.
perhaps knowing our acquisition process as well as they do, Trudeau et al have provided a reasonable timeline for procurement. How long did it take to order new pistols? And what about those boots?
 
Another day on the internet, my dude 😉


Bolded these 3 things, and I think you're going to find out they're all incompatible.

PP is hitching his wagon to cutting taxes, fixing the economy, and trimming government size. I doubt "more money to the CAF!" fits into that slide deck.
may not have a choice the way Putin is behaving in fact, during the last war didn't they suspend elections>
 
perhaps knowing our acquisition process as well as they do, Trudeau et al have provided a reasonable timeline for procurement. How long did it take to order new pistols? And what about those boots?
I'm not going to handwave the incompetence away by citing further incompetence. The people in charge can fix procurement at any time. They don't as it serves them better to have millions returned to the pot every year. There's not reason a pistol needs a generation to be replaced. I refuse to let the feds off the hook for the mess they made.
 
I'm not going to handwave the incompetence away by citing further incompetence. The people in charge can fix procurement at any time. They don't as it serves them better to have millions returned to the pot every year. There's not reason a pistol needs a generation to be replaced. I refuse to let the feds off the hook for the mess they made.
didn't intend to imply that at all, more of a tongue in cheek attack on the whole system
 
may not have a choice the way Putin is behaving in fact, during the last war didn't they suspend elections>
Harold Macmillan was once asked what the most troubling problem of his Prime Ministership was. ‘Events, my dear boy, events,’ was his reply.

The determination of PP as a leader will be his ability to divert from dogma and policy to react to events. Trudeau has failed miserably in this regard.

On the Defence file... it will take a rather significant event to see any Canadian government divert funding from election promises to CAF funding.

It all depends on what each leader defines as "significant"
 
What an odd turn this thread took. Complete with 2010s Facebook dad posters.

Anywho. We're broke, we know it. I wonder if this policy will survive first contact with the Tories in 2025 (if this trend in the polls continue). I'd hope they would accelerate the timelines quite substantially.
The companies, other govts, etc all have a say as well.

We don’t buy enough of anything to get ahead in line, unlike say the US.
 
It doesn’t have to be (ask me how I know)…

The problem comes when there are requirements that don’t naturally allow it, the contractor doesn’t really understand those requirements, and the people representing the users and customer (they are different) don’t know how to explain them.
To be clear, if you were an ASW aircraft project manager, I would trust you to get it done right. And under budget…
 
To be clear, if you were an ASW aircraft project manager, I would trust you to get it done right. And under budget…
Been there, tried that (at a lower level). The current system of making sure we don't waste pennies prevents that type of thinking...
 
Harold Macmillan was once asked what the most troubling problem of his Prime Ministership was. ‘Events, my dear boy, events,’ was his reply.

The determination of PP as a leader will be his ability to divert from dogma and policy to react to events. Trudeau has failed miserably in this regard.

On the Defence file... it will take a rather significant event to see any Canadian government divert funding from election promises to CAF funding.

It all depends on what each leader defines as "significant"
History doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes.
 
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