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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
Thus confirming that not a single leader of a province, territory or the feds understands what defending the country is. It’s all about Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! and cheques flying everywhere but into the present day needs of the existing CAF. And if the country’s defences end up a tiny little bit better off, then that’s the secondary lowest priority collateral benefit.


It's always about jobs. Even in the US.
 
In the US, what is the sum total of leos, ems, guard, dod and doe as a percent of GDP?

In Europe there is a considerable degree of overlap between agencies complicating the 2% discussion.


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The Canadian Armed Forces is comprised of approximately 68,000 Regular Force and 27,000 Reserve Force members, increasing to 71,500 and 30,000 respectively under Strong, Secure, Engaged − Canada’s defence policy, as well as 5,200 Ranger Patrol Group members.

Just recently, Defence Minister Bill Blair estimated the military is short up to 16,500 members and said the Armed Forces' failure to boost recruitment is leading it into a "death spiral."

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Police Officers

Total number of police officers
71,472

Add in CSIS, CBSA, CPC, DFO for another 15 to 20,000 with guns.

Fire Fighters

Census 2023 showed that there are 126,000 firefighters in Canada, of which 90,000 are volunteer. These volunteer firefighters provide fire and all hazard emergency services to their communities. Many of them receive some form of pay on call, an honorarium, or are given some funding to cover expenses, but they do not draw a living wage from firefighting.

Paramedics

the number of paramedics is over 36,000

In a state of war how many of those paramedics, firefighters, police officers and CAF members would be covered under the National Defence budget?
 
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Police Officers



Add in CSIS, CBSA, CPC, DFO for another 15 to 20,000 with guns.

Fire Fighters



Paramedics



In a state of war how many of those paramedics, firefighters, police officers and CAF members would be covered under the National Defence budget?
Sometime you really just love to throw shit against a wall don't you?

A war doesn't reduce the internal needs for emergency services. While some aspects (Counter Intelligence) would no doubt be more related to Defense issues - the average LEO, Fireman, Paramedic etc would still be needed for day to day operation of the country.
 
We buy civilian vehicles for “base utility.” The LUV project should buy absolutely nothing for on-base administrative functions.
You mean those awesome rear wheel drive blue fleet pickups? That was a great move to save money as long as you stuck with dry paved areas. Imagine in Canada getting told not to drive a truck because it snowed.
 
And then there is this:


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"I want to maintain the Snowbirds. I just want to get them a better plane," said Blair, adding that he's asked the commander of the air force about the feasibility of using "existing fighter jets" to maintain an aerial demonstration team, as other allies do.

"I think that's something that I want to explore."

If Canada's NORAD and NATO commitments make that option impossible, he said, he wants to begin the search for a replacement for the Tutor as soon as possible.

Well we aren't getting a northern poverty version of the blue angels, so they'll have to find something new.
 
Add in CSIS, CBSA, CPC, DFO for another 15 to 20,000 with guns.
I'm not sure what the thrust of this post is, but for the sake of accuracy in numbers:

CSIS aren't armed
I'll defer to Haggis but I believe only a percentage of CBSA are armed, same for DFO.
I don't know what CPC stands for unless your are considering the Conservative Party of Canada as an armed agency

In a state of war how many of those paramedics, firefighters, police officers and CAF members would be covered under the National Defence budget?
Other than the CAF, I'm guessing 'none'? Is there a legislated basis or history of civilian emergency services becoming a CAF problem during wartime?
 
The only thing I can think of is I think some RCMP were used as provosts/MP’s during WWII. Not sure how accurate that is though.
 
When can he run for Parliament?
Just had the fellow running for the candidacy for the Conservatives for my riding here in Burlington - who will run against Karina Gould - show up at my house to ask for my support. I asked to look over this pamphlet on why to vote for him - NONE of his talking points or platform issues listed spending on the CAF at all. Not a good sign of things to come.....
 
Just had the fellow running for the candidacy for the Conservatives for my riding here in Burlington - who will run against Karina Gould - show up at my house to ask for my support. I asked to look over this pamphlet on why to vote for him - NONE of his talking points or platform issues listed spending on the CAF at all. Not a good sign of things to come.....
Do you fit the demographics of the riding, or are you an outlier?
 
Thus confirming that not a single leader of a province, territory or the feds understands what defending the country is. It’s all about Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! and cheques flying everywhere but into the present day needs of the existing CAF. And if the country’s defences end up a tiny little bit better off, then that’s the secondary lowest priority collateral benefit.


Oh I dunno I quite liked what Wab Kinew said on the matter.


Damnit @FJAG beat me to it
 
Ive been super impressed with Want so far. I didn't vote for his party (or Stephenson's) but man, am I impressed with his pragmatism and centrism. Obviously there's been some bones to his base but all in all, he's governed right from the middle.

RE parliament run, there's a rumour going around that he may run in Daniel Blaikie's ward which is solidly working class and is pretty safe NDP throughout history. Jagmeet better watch out because the knives may be coming out in the next few months.
 
Wow




When an NDP premier tells Justin to step it up - he should rethink his own CoAs.

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Wab has stuck his opinions in where very few Manitoba premiers would and I am mildly surprised he has weighed in on this. I don't think I have actually heard a premier from MB tell this to a PM.
The only time the CAF in MB matters to most politicians is around election time.
 
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