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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
Why do you the number went up. 65 isn’t the number we’d accept…


She did a shit interview. Lots of talking with no real info.
no idea.
65 is the minimum number of fighters required to meet our minimum obligation under NORAD.
65 is the minimum the US would accept otherwise it would be higher. I doubt it was thought at the time that we would aim for it
 
She did a shit interview. Lots of talking with no real info.
My feeling entirely watching last night. Sounds like lots of meetings, no decisions, no money, knowing the government doesn't GAF, etc. Nothing on the state of procurement nor plans to fix.
Not impressed one bit. Interview was a good example of balderdash.
Of course, she or any CDS can't do anything if there is no will on the part of a government.
 
My feeling entirely watching last night. Sounds like lots of meetings, no decisions, no money, knowing the government doesn't GAF, etc. Nothing on the state of procurement nor plans to fix.
Not impressed one bit. Interview was a good example of balderdash.
Of course, she or any CDS can't do anything if there is no will on the part of a government.

They can always resign in disgust, drawing public attention to the dangers to Canada, and live an ethical life.

But, of course, we know how likely that is. ;)
 
How to create a chronically unwell CAF 101.
I was surprised to see that having a diagnosis of ADHD would disqualify someone from joining the CAF up until this announcement.
I can see the logic for some allergies being disqualified, peanut/nut for certain where anaphylaxes can occur.
 
I see little improvement under the next Conservative government. First they will be in power for 4 years, maybe 8-10. A White paper to determine what kind of Military we require, which will take 1-2 years. Next, there will be no money and the cutting of public service.

PP can't even commit to a min 2% expenditures of GDP because he knows that he will not have the money to do this after he assessing the Liberal fiscal mismanagement. He will have counter the liberal damage to all sectors of government, all the promised tax cuts, and pay down debt. On top of all this, is we do not have the trained/experienced personnel to staff procurement for current projects nevermind a revamp.

We are kind of in a pickle. but we will move forward. It will be slow, painful and will have a limited shelf life.

And reading the experts on this forum and with the current CAF leadership, which advice will they take? LOL
 
I see little improvement under the next Conservative government. First they will be in power for 4 years, maybe 8-10. A White paper to determine what kind of Military we require, which will take 1-2 years. Next, there will be no money and the cutting of public service.

PP can't even commit to a min 2% expenditures of GDP because he knows that he will not have the money to do this after he assessing the Liberal fiscal mismanagement. He will have counter the liberal damage to all sectors of government, all the promised tax cuts, and pay down debt. On top of all this, is we do not have the trained/experienced personnel to staff procurement for current projects nevermind a revamp.

We are kind of in a pickle. but we will move forward. It will be slow, painful and will have a limited shelf life.

And reading the experts on this forum and with the current CAF leadership, which advice will they take? LOL
PP has publicly stated that he will commit to a min 2% on the CAF and rest assured, Trump for the next 4yrs will for certain be 'suggesting' that we start meeting that floor on spending.
 
Agree with 3 of 4. Someone with a history of anxiety moving into a stressful job is a recipe for disaster.
With how easily they hand out that diagnoses, I think we have to make that change and actually just assess the candidates. Kids these days are constantly bombarded with a lot of apocryphal info with everything amplified by the click baiting social media. Even getting a bit of snow or rain generates emergency warning notifications, and really hard to unplug from all this.

Nothing wrong with getting some kind of therapy if that's overwhelming, because it seems intended to be overwhelming, but I think getting some kind of coping strategies helps build resilience generally that helps deal with real world stuff once you get past the constant bombardment of bs.

Big difference with someone who was diagnosed and treated in that context compared to someone that is a complete mess that can't deal with life, but means we really need to properly vet recruits early. Had a number of suicides in St Jean when I was there 20 years ago, as well as people on suicide watch, so passing them through to see if they break isn't the best strategy.
 
Why do you the number went up. 65 isn’t the number we’d accept…


She did a shit interview. Lots of talking with no real info.
Pretty much expected, our in year budgets are cut in the near future, and all the increases are on future projects which are pretty fuzzy and kind of bullshit until they are delivered, especially when our maintenance spending, personnel levels etc aren't keeping up to current demands, let alone any increases in capabilities in the future.

I just wish they would stop spouting a bunch of empty words when the reality is grim AF and trending down; I get the politics involve but they should just probably say nothing, and let the politicians do the lying.
 
PP has publicly stated that he will commit to a min 2% on the CAF and rest assured, Trump for the next 4yrs will for certain be 'suggesting' that we start meeting that floor on spending.
He has stated he will work towards it.

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s office confirmed that any military spending on top of what is already planned for the Defence Department would be subject to the Tories’ proposed spending cap — meaning military costs beyond those on the books at the time they take power would see equivalent cuts elsewhere in the federal government.
 
They can always resign in disgust, drawing public attention to the dangers to Canada, and live an ethical life.

But, of course, we know how likely that is. ;)
Just to prove that I'm more cynical than you, I'm of the view that there are near-zero GOFOs who would resign in disgust and voice their opposition to government policies because that would interfere greatly with their post-service consulting business. People rarely cut off their noses to spite their faces. Take a look at the very few who have said anything and in their cases it is roughly ten or more years after having left the CAF.
I don't think the public would really care if the CDS resigns, it would be forgotten about the next day.
Not if it's a properly orchestrated media campaign.
I don't think the public cares about anything CAF related.
Actually they do. Look at the Highways of Heroes phenomenon. The problem is that DND/CAF has some of the least effective media campaigns known to man. With what is going on in Ukraine, there hasn't been a more graphic example of the need for a strong defence in almost half a century and yet the CAF hasn't leveraged that into anything concrete either within the government (for obvious reasons - the current crop are Pollyannas) nor in the eyes of the voting public.

Other than the Navy - bound to its three major facilities - the full-time portion of the CAF hides itself away from the public in isolated bases. It undervalues and underutilizes the one organization designed specifically to be be the interface with the public: the reserves. On these pages we constantly see the RegF distain for the system of reserve force honouraries when they should be leveraging them for the influence that they have with the government.

The CAF and its leadership is it's own worst enemy.

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He has stated he will work towards it.

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s office confirmed that any military spending on top of what is already planned for the Defence Department would be subject to the Tories’ proposed spending cap — meaning military costs beyond those on the books at the time they take power would see equivalent cuts elsewhere in the federal government.
So you're saying that the need the current government to 'single source' the 12 submarines before they call an election in the spring. :p
 
Trudeau
  • Premiers all support 2%
  • Canadians support 2%
  • Europeans support >>2%

3:39PM

Europe should welcome Trump’s calls to boost military spending​

Europe should welcome rather than rebuff Donald Trump’s call for other NATO members to ramp up their military spending, said Donald Tusk, the Polish prime minister.

“We shouldn’t be irritated. We shouldn’t be appalled,” Tusk told the European Parliament on Wednesday. “Some think it’s extravagant or it is a brutal or malicious warning.”

Mr Tusk added that Europe’s “time of comfort” was over and urged European leaders to bear a greater share of responsibility for its own security.

”Only an ally can wish another ally to get stronger. This is not what an opponent of Europe would say,” he said.

 
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