Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Kirkhill]

The previous government could have made that debt work for us, if they'd bet on the right horse.

Instead, it went to either pet projects or floating Canada through a rough patch that wasn't as rough as it turned out to be. But Le Dauphin refused to change course, even in the face of a changing reality; thus, it cost him his leadership and robbed the country of time to batten the hatches against Hurricane Drumpf.

Sovereign debt isn't like personal debt, after all. We can and should take a risk, if the reward is tenable in jobs, influence, investment, or security.

Instead, we piss it away when the Red Team is holding the card, and get buy on ramen noodles when the Blue team is pinching pennies to see a zero balance.

I can buy a Starbucks a day, or I can buy a new garden shed. I can sell the shed when I sell the house.

 

[dapaterson]

I can buy a Starbucks a day, or I can buy a new garden shed. I can sell the shed when I sell the house.

If the cost of a cup of coffee keeps you from investing in your home then your problem isn't coffee.

 

[MilEME09]

Yes but when the second largest country, that has been quasi pacifist for the last 80yrs, in NATO comes out and says ‘5%’ that kind of wakes people up

Just to clarify, we are praising Germany for raising an army, to march through Poland and fight the Russians? Just don't want future misunderstanding

 

[daftandbarmy]

Just to clarify, we are praising Germany for raising an army, to march through Poland and fight the Russians? Just don't want future misunderstanding

 

[Kirkhill]

If the cost of a cup of coffee keeps you from investing in your home then your problem isn't coffee.

5 bucks per day
35 bucks per week
1820 per year
3640 after 5 years

Wife goes back to Folgers as well

7280

20 million households

145,600,000,000

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

5 bucks per day
35 bucks per week
1820 per year
3640 after 5 years

Wife goes back to Folgers as well

7280

20 million households

145,600,000,000

I agree with Dapaterson. Your problem is not coffee: It's math.

I have no idea in which version of modern arithmetic's five times 1820 gets you 3640.

 

[Kirkhill]

I agree with Dapaterson. Your problem is not coffee: It's math.

I have no idea in which version of modern arithmetic's five times 1820 gets you 3640.

Fooock!

OK then

5x7=35
35x52=1820
5x1820=9100
2x9100=18,200
18,200x20,000,000=364,000,000,000

Better?

Should have used my calculator the first time. Apparently the grey cells are dying. Insh'Allah.

Quite the defence budget sacrifice.

A Starbucks a day less = 364 BCAD for national security.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Better. Now your only problem is that by using 20,000,000 couples you are assuming that all toddlers and children drink $5 worth of coffee everyday.

I don't want to have to send Family Services after you.

 

[Kirkhill]

Better. Now your only problem is that by using 20,000,000 couples you are assuming that all toddlers and children drink $5 worth of coffee everyday.

I don't want to have to send Family Services after you.

I was assuming our fertility rates were so low that we might as well assume that the number of toddlers is effectively zero.

Actual number of households - 15,000,000 (14,978,971 for Spock's Pedants)

Profile table, Census Profile, 2021 Census of Population - Canada [Country]

Statistics Canada's Census Profile presents information from the 2021 Census of Population - Canada [Country].

www12.statcan.gc.ca

Average number of people per household - 2.4

Given the number of seniors in the mix and the number of adults still living at home with their parents I figure Zero isn't bad for a back of the envelope Order of Magnitude estimate.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Better. Now your only problem is that by using 20,000,000 couples you are assuming that all toddlers and children drink $5 worth of coffee everyday.

I don't want to have to send Family Services after you.

Considering how much caffeine many expectant mothers drink, I suspect the kiddies are already hooked. Plus hot chocolate in Starbucks ain't cheap either....

 

[Cloud Cover]

I can buy a Starbucks a day, or I can buy a new garden shed. I can sell the shed when I sell the house.

That’s a sea can …

 

[Colin Parkinson]

If the cost of a cup of coffee keeps you from investing in your home then your problem isn't coffee.

I used to tell people at my work, that drinking instant coffee was how I bought my house. Now it's just cruel to say that, as much as they save, the more the houses cost.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I was assuming our fertility rates were so low that we might as well assume that the number of toddlers is effectively zero.

Actual number of households - 15,000,000 (14,978,971 for Spock's Pedants)

Profile table, Census Profile, 2021 Census of Population - Canada [Country]

Statistics Canada's Census Profile presents information from the 2021 Census of Population - Canada [Country].

www12.statcan.gc.ca

Average number of people per household - 2.4

Given the number of seniors in the mix and the number of adults still living at home with their parents I figure Zero isn't bad for a back of the envelope Order of Magnitude estimate.

OK. So now, you have looked at defense spending increase in terms of average coffee consumption.

Lets look at it differently, also using averages:

Average individual income in Canada (Statscan, 2024 numbers, rounded up) : $66,000.
Average federal income tax rate: 25%
Average federal income tax paid as a result of these two numbers: $16,500
Your coffee annual "give up" number for an individual: $1820

Thus, increase in federal income tax required to generate that much extra revenue for defense: 11%

When you find enough Canadians willing to say they agree to increase the income taxes they pay by 11% in order to invest in National defense, let me know.

In the meantime, we can all continue to enjoy our coffee.

 

[McG]

Most Canadians are below average. Using averages exaggerates the financial realities of most Canadians.

 

[KevinB]

Most Canadians are below average.

Well that’s a hurtful truth

I love taking stuff out of context

Using averages exaggerates the financial realities of most Canadians.

Not just Canadians.

 

[MilEME09]

Most Canadians are below average. Using averages exaggerates the financial realities of most Canadians.

Thank god for stats can giving us breakdowns

Individual Tax Statistics by Tax Bracket 2025 Edition (2023 tax year) - Canada.ca

The 2025 edition of Individual Tax Statistics by Tax Bracket presents basic counts and dollar amounts of individual tax filer information by tax bracket. These statistics are based on the 2022 tax year initial assessment data up to January 31, 2025.

www.canada.ca

 

[McG]

Thank god for stats can giving us breakdowns

Individual Tax Statistics by Tax Bracket 2025 Edition (2023 tax year) - Canada.ca

The 2025 edition of Individual Tax Statistics by Tax Bracket presents basic counts and dollar amounts of individual tax filer information by tax bracket. These statistics are based on the 2022 tax year initial assessment data up to January 31, 2025.

www.canada.ca

That link is CRA, not Stats Can, and the division of the population into arbitrary tax brackets (vice percentiles or uniform dollar increments) makes it less suitable to actually describe the Canadian population. This CRA link is better but has substantially more extraneous information: Individual Income Tax Return Statistics (2022 tax year) - Canada.ca

Unfortunately, the income increments are not properly uniform and buckets get broader at higher incomes. This leads to distortions in the data above $100k income.


Stats Can used to hold all the data needed to make a useful histogram, but I can't seem to find those numbers today.

Stats Can does have more detailed break-downs, but everything I have found further breaks-down the data in a way that is difficult to re-aggregate.

Income Explorer, 2021 Census

This interactive chart is comprised of two visualizations to show statistics of selected income sources by various characteristics and geographies.

www12.statcan.gc.ca

Income of Canadians, 2023

This infographic presents some highlights from the 2023 Canadian Income Survey data.

www150.statcan.gc.ca

 

[lenaitch]

The functional definition of 'average' implies that a lot of the data points (income, widget cost, etc.) will be below the 'average'. If everything is evenly distributed, half will be under, half will be over.

 

[McG]

The functional definition of 'average' implies that a lot of the data points (income, widget cost, etc.) will be below the 'average'. If everything is evenly distributed, half will be under, half will be over.

Income is not evenly distributed. Most incomes are below average.

 

[ytz]

Where's all the folks that said retention wasn't all that important because recruiting was up?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/military-retention-program-defunding-1.7536509