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Kirkhill said:Marlin spike on a lanyard perhaps?
Halifax Class shooter glasses - a different one for each ship. Collect all twelve and we'll throw in a free Upholder class submarine (slightly used).
Kirkhill said:Marlin spike on a lanyard perhaps?
dapaterson said:Halifax Class shooter glasses - a different one for each ship. Collect all twelve and we'll throw in a free Upholder class submarine (slightly used).
Kirkhill said:Methinks I detect irony...
Pusser said:a) Why not? (usually accompanied by an epithet or two)
b) Figure it out and find a way to do this :rage:.
They never like the answer to a) and I haven't found a good answer to b) yet, short of manufacturing gifts myself in order to stay within the cost restrictions (and yes, I've done this).
MedCorps said:I have seen this technique used more than once. The CO/RSM finds a junior NCO (often, although I have seen a Sgt/WO once and a Capt once) who is talented in (select your favorite) wood working / metal working / stained glass / painting / sculpting / fabrics and then employs them as such regardless of their MOS in at a rate as frequently as required for the generation of gifts, etc. Truly amazing things these well paid Crown artisans can make with minimal amounts of materials. I have seen sword cases, a myriad of hand turned pens/candle stick makers/bowls, leather book marks, book covers, stained glass lamps, stone carvings, daggers, models, etc made over my years in this manner. I even saw a nice alpaca scarf once made and presented as a "regimental gift" to a lady dignitary who was quite impressed.
Does not make it right. Only makes it possible as a work around given the crazy tight rules on cash expenditures. Good reason to ask, "So do you have any hobbies?" during your section / platoon / company commanders interviews.
MC
ekpiper said:The point has been made by others already, but it seems to me that while it is necessary to monitor costs to avoid frivolity, national pride is on the line, and whereas many in the public may not see the need for waving the flag, the respect of the international community is needed ....
Colin P said:We can offer tap water to our clients. Anything beyond that requires a RDG level approval. Anything involving booze requires an even higher level approval.
dapaterson said:Despite what some may believe, the CF's primary role is not to offer hospitality to international guests. There's a whole federal department that does that, and they have more generous allowances to do so. Having been (once) to an informal dinner expensed to the Government of Canada by DFAIT staff, I'll say that I saw nothing frivolous, and a key decision was the outcome of the meeting - well worth the cost of dinner for 9.
While the CF may have need to perform some low-level interactions, the high level stuff (and note that a room full of generals does not constitute high-level relations, despite their own beliefs) is done elsewhere.
Re: receptions: A reception isn't a dinner. TB policy permits 2x the rated amount of the meal, so a dinner could be up to $80.60 per person; hardly forcing senior and important folks to eat at McDonalds. Sorry, but the band don't qualify as senior or important.
dapaterson said:Sorry, but the band don't qualify as senior or important.
Strike said:No, but this goes back to good manners by offering those who are attending events, in whatever capacity, the same food you are eating.
I recall helping to organize the mess dinner for my wings grad where, not only did we pay for the guest of honour, but his driver as well. Even though the young man did not have a seat at the table, we made sure he was well taken care of behind the scenes, including throwing some Tim's gift certificates his way to help with the drive back the next morning. There was no debate. We all chipped in a few extra bucks to pay for his meal because it was the PROPER thing to do.
Jed said:Jeez, DAP. That PER must be right justified by now! ;D
dapaterson said:But the system is what the system is - so learn it, understand it, and work with it.
dapaterson said:It is entirely true. Note the phrase "the CF's primary role". While we may be tasked to provide some support to such events, it is not the primary role of the CF. If it was, we'd replace the helo decks with dance floors, replace the missile racks with bars, convert Leo 2s into mobile light shows with a disco ball suspended above the turret (the smoke dischargers we'd keep), and for the Air Force... no change >
Supporting another government department? Certainly. Even providing a ship to host a function. But again, the CF's primary role is not international liaison and relationship building.
I do know it, understand it and work within it, but my point is that it is inadequate and unnecessarily restrictive.dapaterson said:But the system is what the system is - so learn it, understand it, and work with it.
Pusser said:I do know it, understand it and work within it, but my point is that it is inadequate and unnecessarily restrictive.
dapaterson said:Supporting another government department? Certainly. Even providing a ship to host a function. But again, the CF's primary role is not international liaison and relationship building.
E.R. Campbell said:But, and despite my distaste for the current system, DAP is correct; and the system would not be so "inadequate and unnecessarily restrictive" if whole bunch of (relatively senior) civil servants and CF members didn't consistently abuse it.