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Graham compares Tories to Nazi propagandists

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This is a new low even for the liberals, referring to any legimate Canadian political entity as Nazi's is going way too far, dispicable


Graham compares Tories to Nazi propagandists
Updated Thu. Dec. 7 2006 5:46 PM ET

Canadian Press

OTTAWA -- The Conservatives reacted angrily upon being compared to Nazis by a prominent Liberal on Thursday.

Bill Graham, a former cabinet minister who was the interim Grit leader for most of this year, made the remarks in the House of Commons.

He accused the Tories of repeatedly uttering false statements in the Commons about the Liberals' record in government and drew parallels with the infamous Nazi propaganda machine run by Joseph Goebbels.

"The government members in this House behave as if they were reading from a textbook written by Mr. Goebbels when he was preparing for power in Germany,'' Graham said.

"It's disagraceful. . . It's dishonourable. . .

"It's just not possible to have a question period in which honourable members are allowed to so much distort the truth and tell lies about what is in the public record.''

Goebbels remains infamous for his technique of repeating a lie often enough that it becomes commonly accepted as truth.

He played a key role in convincing Germans of the merits of Adolf Hitler's Third Reich, and later became Hitler's propaganda minister.

Graham accused the Tories of habitually lying during question period about the track record of the former Liberal government.

He referred specifically to the Tories' oft-repeated assertion that the Liberals did nothing while Maher Arar was being tortured in a Syrian prison.

In fact Graham _ a former foreign minister _ says he frequently pressured his Syrian counterparts about Arar.

The Conservatives reacted with indignation to the comparison with Nazis.

"I think that is reprehensible,'' said Tory House leader Rob Nicholson.

"I heard what (Graham) had to say about decorum. I think that works both ways.''


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UN-FRIGGIN'-BELEAVABLE!!!

One of my extreme sore spots is anyone using the 'Nazi' term for anything,...to do it in my House of Commons is.......[must stop]

I wonder if this will get as much play as the 'Mutt Belinda" thing?
 
What really gets me is that Graham was the former defence misister, of all the people there you'd think he would have the most sense when it comes to something like this
 
Godwining your speech isn't a good way to get your message across.  I have been amazed how messy the politicians (on all sides) have been recently.. sure makes for good viewing though.

*Pulls up a chair*
 
Liberals are power hungry...
Liberals are fear mongers...
Liberals are liars...
Liberals are propagandist machines (look at their last two elections)...
The best thing as Canadians can do is keep them out of power.
 
ArmyRick said:
Liberals are power hungry...
Liberals are fear mongers...
Liberals are liars...
Liberals are propagandist machines (look at their last two elections)...
The best thing as Canadians can do is keep them out of power.

In all fairness, the Conservatives haven't been stellar either, they get thumbs up for funding the military but for the rest... *thumbs down*

The problem is in leaving a group of people in power for too long a period.. I have no doubts that the Conservatives would start doing many of the same things you say the Liberals have done given enough time.
 
Mithras said:
The problem is in leaving a group of people in power for too long a period..
Perhaps limiting the number of times an MP can be elected would help keep things fresh in government?
 
warspite said:
Perhaps limiting the number of times an MP can be elected would help keep things fresh in government?

Many may see that as "too american" plus what power-addict MP would vote for that anyway?
 
... and their puppeters would still be in the shadow...
 
A little while ago, I was in the States. While there I spent a couple days listening to the right wing radio talk shows (Rush Limbah, Fox news radio, etc). One of the commentators was talking about the upcoming US mid term elections. In one particularly heated race (I believe it was in Missouri, the same Mike J Fox was involved in), the Democrats were labeling the Republicans as "Nazis" in response to their stand on one of those contentious issues (stem cell research, cloning, abortion.). The commentator said something about the label along this line:

when one side of a political debate resorts to calling to other "Nazis" it is indicative of that side running out of educated and organized arguments.

 
St. Micheal's Medical Team said:
......when one side of a political debate resorts to calling to other "Nazis" it is indicative of that side running out of educated and organized arguments.

How very true.  Sounds like what we face when we have the PAC calling us all 'baby killers' and 'pawns of George Bush' and such utterly ridiculous things.  They are so flabbergasted, that they can not come up with an educated argument against something, so they have to rely on an insult.
 
What is interesting is Graham is upset because Prime Minister Harper is referring to the record of the previous government. This is a new technique in Canada, known as:

"The Big Truth"

I wonder how voters will react?
 
Considering that on the CTV website this article is in the little political section and not in the "big" news section which seems to be reserved for Britney Spear's apology I doupt voters will even notice it

 
I noticed that the other day the Libs had Ignatieff get up on his hind legs and ask the Tories "When are you going to stop blaming the previous government?"  I was surprised that nobody came back with "When we have finished cleaning up your mess."

Still, I guess Ignatieff is the only one on their side of the house that could ask that question with a straight face.
 
Boater said:
Considering that on the CTV website this article is in the little political section and not in the "big" news section which seems to be reserved for Britney Spear's apology I doupt voters will even notice it

Just think of how it would have been reported had it been the Conservatives calling the Liberals Nazis........wait wasn't that a major incident just a little while ago....or was I dreaming....
 
George Wallace said:
Just think of how it would have been reported had it been the Conservatives calling the Liberals Nazis........wait wasn't that a major incident just a little while ago....or was I dreaming....

Well considering Nazis are more to the right than the liberals the conservatives may have called them communists but that may have just flattered them ;)
 
Boater, Nazi is a contraction of "National Socialist German Worker's Party". Since this party was not associated with individual rights, liberty, property ownership or the Rule of Law (and of course given the huge clue hidden in the party name), it is a grave error to call Nazis "right wing".

They are very firmly on the left, and represent the logical end point of socialist and collectivist thinking. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to discover where the starting points are.
 
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