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"Grunts in the Mist" Doc to Speak in Calgary 22 Oct 07

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Buddy of mine pointed this out, and I thought it was worth sharing....

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Calgary - Outside the Wire in Afghanistan: The Regiment As A Family - Monday, October 22, 2007

The University of Calgary's Dr. Anne Irwin (bio) will examine how the notion of the regiment as a family contributes to group cohesion and morale.

Time - 7:30pm to 9:30 pm

Place: Room 164 Murray Fraser Hall, University of Calgary

RSVP to Barb at [email protected]

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U of Calgary newspaper piece on Dr. Irwin - CTV.ca article
 
Wish I was in Calgary to go hear her lecture, sounds very interesting.
 
Hope someone will be going and taking notes.

love the title "grunts in the mist"

 
geo said:
Hope someone will be going and taking notes.

love the title "grunts in the mist"

Thanks - I'm pretty sure I read it on one of the Army.ca threads....
 
I'm darned sure.
The lady was attached to our troops deployed in Afghanistan.
Her insight should be interesting.
 
The U of C article was great. I wish I could be at the lecture.
 
I will be attending and if desired will provided a synopsis of her talk. She was great during the conference earlier this year at U of C. Took time out to chat with a number of service personal who had not yet been to Afghanistan, and then described some of her views.
 
3rd Herd said:
I will be attending and if desired will provided a synopsis of her talk ....

Can't speak for others, but I would VERY MUCH appreciate any summary or highlights you could share.
 
milnewstbay said:
Can't speak for others, but I would VERY MUCH appreciate any summary or highlights you could share.

ditto
 
Okay,
I will take a pad and pen with me. If between now and the lecture date you come up with some specific questions and get them to me I may be able to get the answers sooner or I will have had the time to arranged them should there be a Q and A session.
 
Mods can we combine this thread with the prior one mentioned by GAP above.

Patricia's Outside The Wire in Afghanistan: The Regiment As A Family
The Empey Lecture, Dr Anne Irwin, University of Calgary
22 October 2007

Imagine a room full of professional women, listing with rapt attention to the description of "piss tubes" and communal latrines. A photo flashes on the screen as the narrator continues with " well not only do you converse with your neighbour, but you have all these other guys walking by", you just hope there is not a mortar attack before you finish".

Introduction

Dr Irwin began her research with the 1st Bn PPCLI beginning in 1992 and continues to this day. The lecture was designed to give a brief portrayal of the events of the section Dr Irwin travelled with while in Afghanistan in 2006. Accompanying the lecture was a series of photographs designed to give a visual picture of the day to day life of the "Regimental Family". She described the regiment as "a rigid hierarchy, but in practice a structured dualism, the CO and RSM having a clear division of labour acting as a team". Hence the parents of a family. The CO being the father, concerned with the larger picture, policy and the public face. While the RSM being the mother who provides "nurturing care", supervises the daily functions such as feeding and morale and looks after the discipline that does not appear in the public eye. ( Sort of "boy you are in for it this time Pte Bloggins, just wait until your father gets home", "but Mom...............) The regimental structure was described as a series of 'nesting dolls' which was a perfect analogy. You have one big doll, the regiment, you open it to find smaller dolls, the Bn's, you open those to find yet smaller dolls, the companies, opening those are even smaller dolls the platoons. In each of the aforementioned there is the similar "structured dualism" but at the platoon level sometimes the role of mother and father are reversed in that the platoon officer is often many years younger than his platoon W/O. The smallest doll is the section which was described as a "single parent family". The Section Commander being both mother and father with the 2 I/C described as the oldest sibling.

Operations in Afghanistan

An excellent narrative began with the section/platoon/ coy getting ready to pull out from Kandahar, explaining the various rituals "that settled the nerves, vehicle loading, passenger manifests, dvr/crew "o" groups and then proceeding to the threshold area. As weapons are locked and loaded she describes a "sense of seriousness" settling in. Outside the wire the "life of a nomad" begins, uncertainty, 4 day ops turning into 21 days, 30 hrs of 10 minute notice to move, the "ultimate experience of lost time". Describing the soldier's view as " do not plan to far ahead as there is constant change, Don't think ahead it makes you weak !" A medic who dashes out to rescue two wounded soldiers with out waitting for suppressive fire is put to the audience as a "real hero".

Eating Together Forms a Family

Breakfast, lunch and dinner a social not nutritional affair. the junior member of the section is labelled "cook", ration boxes are turned over and the guessing begins. As "war is uncertain desert is eaten first", and care packages become section property. As often happens in the North American household dinner is just served and mother is called away. In this case the Section Commander off to an "O" group, "while the bantering and teasing amongst siblings continues." They are all "jokers" states the Dr. except for the single parent of this family, responsible, lonely, separated from his peers who are with their own "families" or sections. "Regiment is where the real family begins, as mothers complain they have been replaced, the new family of quite professionals marches forward".

Q and A

Question: Where does your research go asks one young female, what does the military do with your research ?

Answer: I try to understand not make policy.

Question: How do they deal with loses asks an older gentleman ?

Answer: Sometimes there is not time to grieve due to the operation, missing the Ramp Ceremony was/is particularly hard. They lean on each other, cry, talk and then carry on.

Question: What about prisoners comes from the back of the room.

Answer: In the [aforemention circumstance] a Sgt and two Cpl's captured an [insurgent] just after he shot and killed one of their section. Despite being out of sight and having every reason to kill him, they returned with the prisoner handling him with perfect professionalism.



 
Me, a mother?
Been called many things but, not sure?.... Ah yes - Mother F$%?er...

Wonder if a transcript of her whole presentation is available.  Anyone?
 
geo said:
Me, a mother?
Been called many things but, not sure?.... Ah yes - Mother F$%?er... 

Well, we all hate our mothers at one time or other for doing something that embarasses us, but in the end, everyone loves their mom...

Would also be intereted in more details - great notes by the way 3rd Herd, nice work!
 
Geo and Greymatter,
yes I can most likely get the transcript of her lecture but in two weeks or so I will be able to post her answers to a series of as she puts it "These are all very thoughtful and intelligent questions.". So I will hold off until then. As her work becomes published we can provide the links here, in regard to publishing it is not a book(I asked this specifically) but will be a series of papers. She also indicated that she will be looking into the Navy and apparently there already is someone doing this, West Coast, I believe.

PMedMoe,
yes it was a very interesting lecture. If you get a chance to hear her talk take advantage of it it was absolutely fascinating. My posted notes are only a brief glimpse of the lecture. The pictures which accompanied the lecture are just as powerful as the verbal discourse.
 
Thanks 3rd Herd,
Looking forward to reading all about her findings & observations
 
geo said:
Thanks 3rd Herd,
Looking forward to reading all about her findings & observations

Geo,
here is the start of your reading:

Academic papers:
Ranking the Rank and File By Dr Anne Irwin
http://www.cda.forces.gc.ca/cfli/engraph/research/pdf/82.pdf

Soldiers Do It in the Field, Dr. Anne Irwin, University of Victoria, Canada
http://www.rmc.ca/academic/conference/iuscanada/papers/irwin_socialpaper.pdf

Here is a list from the CMSS web site of other media stories:

Irwin, Anne
4-Jul-06 Anthropologist studies soldiers in field North Bay Nugget
4-Jul-06 Field Study finds 'grunts' tightly knit Hamilton Spectator
4-Jul-06 Grunts in the mist: Anthropologist Anne Irwin is studying how Canadian troops bond in Afghanistan Montreal Gazette / Kitchener, Cambridge and Waterloo Record
4-Jul-06 Life with front-line troops provides insight for anthropologists from Sooke Victoria Times Colonist
5-Jul-06 Anthropologist studies Canadian soldiers Prince George Citizen
27-Aug-06 Embedded in Afghanistan Calgary Herald
21-Jan-07 Women outside the wire Edmonton Journal
27-Jan-07 Women outside the wire: Canada's female soldiers stand tall in harm's way Saskatoon Star Phoenix
31-Jan-07 Women on the front lines in Afghanistan Sherbrooke Record
6-Feb-07 RDC takes global view Red Deer Advocate

University of Calgary: http://gauntlet.ucalgary.ca/story/10734

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