Hamas invaded Israel 2023 Megathread

[Lumber]

Jesus could you be more hypocritical.

3 days ago, the US pushes for a new ceasefire:

US, other leaders call for Israel and Hamas to hammer out cease-fire deal

"‎‏It is time to bring immediate relief both to the long-suffering people of Gaza as well as the long-suffering hostages and their families," the leaders said.

abcnews.go.com

Then, 2 days ago, the US releases $3.5 Billion to Israel so they can buy US made weapons.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-releases-35-billion-israel-spend-us-weapons-military-equipment-cnn-reports-2024-08-09/

Then the next day, Israel drops a bomb on a school. I guess you get what you pay for.

 

[dimsum]

Jesus could you be more hypocritical.

3 days ago, the US pushes for a new ceasefire:

US, other leaders call for Israel and Hamas to hammer out cease-fire deal

"‎‏It is time to bring immediate relief both to the long-suffering people of Gaza as well as the long-suffering hostages and their families," the leaders said.

abcnews.go.com

Then, 2 days ago, the US releases $3.5 Billion to Israel so they can buy US made weapons.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-releases-35-billion-israel-spend-us-weapons-military-equipment-cnn-reports-2024-08-09/

Then the next day, Israel drops a bomb on a school. I guess you get what you pay for.

“Countries don’t have friends, they have interests” seems like an apt statement

 

[Quirky]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-shin-bet-name-another-12-hamas-islamic-jihad-operatives-killed-in-strike-on-gaza-school/

31 total dead terrorists, but hamas says 90 “civilians” were killed…
Shouldn’t be using a school as your command center, but that school stopped being a school months ago.

 

[QV]

I will agree. Once the indoctrination begins at a young age it is very difficult to undo the programming. IF you want peace in the ME start by telling young people on BOTH sides there are alternatives. NOW.

Only one side wanted to live in peace.

 

[QV]

Israel will IMO continue its action against Hamas until the ingrained “River to the Sea” jihadist spirit against the State of Israel is no more.

Justifiably so.

 

[QV]

Eventually one side will win or both sides will get tired, and find a path to peace.

Right now, neither side is willing/wanting peace. (Generalization based on the leadership- not necessarily the individuals in the street).

This might be correct today, but before Oct 7 it was pretty obvious one side valued peace. Reap what you sow.

 

[KevinB]

This might be correct today, but before Oct 7 it was pretty obvious one side valued peace. Reap what you sow.

I would say that too be true of a large majority of the Israeli population, then and now, but Benny the BullDozer and the extremist settlers haven't wanted peace even before the Hamas massacre.
I'm pro-Israel, but I am not blind to their mistakes and excesses.

 

[QV]

I would say that too be true of a large majority of the Israeli population, then and now, but Benny the BullDozer and the extremist settlers haven't wanted peace even before the Hamas massacre.
I'm pro-Israel, but I am not blind to their mistakes and excesses.

There will always be extremists it's just to what degree. The majority of Israel want peace, the majority of Palestine want the destruction of Israel.

 

[Quirky]

There will always be extremists it's just to what degree. The majority of Israel want peace, the majority of Palestinethe Arab world want the destruction of Israel.

FTFY. Lets not kid ourselves, that entire region would wipe out Israel without hesitation if they had the capability.

 

[KevinB]

There will always be extremists it's just to what degree. The majority of Israel want peace, the majority of Palestine want the destruction of Israel.

I agree 110%

 

[KevinB]

So about that school and the death toll...
Looks to be a precision strike taken with care to get the bad guys but minimize civilian casualties --

https://twitter.com/x/status/1822540995512131659

@Lumber thoughts? or was just jumping to Hamas propaganda your only point?

 

[QV]

Oh don't intervene in Lumber's "devil's advocacy", it's quite the view into the minds of some.

 

[KevinB]

Oh don't intervene in Lumber's "devil's advocacy", it's quite the view into the minds of some.

I am not 100% sure that is actually Lumbers thoughts, while I believe he is vastly more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause than your or I, I don't think he is a Hamas supporter at all.

 

[QV]

Pacifism has never turned out well when the chips are down.

 

[Lumber]

So about that school and the death toll...
Looks to be a precision strike taken with care to get the bad guys but minimize civilian casualties --

https://twitter.com/x/status/1822540995512131659

@Lumber thoughts? or was just jumping to Hamas propaganda your only point?

First off, David Collier is a zionist shill.

Second, that post doesn't purporte to provide the complete list of casualties from the strike, but just those they considered terrorists. And I say "they consider" because the zonists consider any pubescent Palestinian male that isn't on their knees with their shirt off and their hands up to be Hamas terrorist. So, I take this list with a giant grain of salt.

 

[Halifax Tar]

First off, David Collier is a zionist shill.

Second, that post doesn't purporte to provide the complete list of casualties from the strike, but just those they considered terrorists. And I say "they consider" because the zonists consider any pubescent Palestinian male that isn't on their knees with their shirt off and their hands up to be Hamas terrorist. So, I take this list with a giant grain of salt.

You should have been lawyer.

 

[OldSolduer]

Of course they reject the narrative. Just as HAMAS embellishes their civilian casualty numbers, the IDF does as well, just in the opposite direction. Both factions need to maintain international support for their cause, but instead of putting their soldiers in harms way, the Israeli cowards instead just drop a bomb, civilian casualties be dammed.

What you call cowardly we in the infantry, and armor, artillery and engineers call good tactics. Civilian casualties are always a concern and all measures should be taken to avoid them. BUT as a parent of a fallen soldier if he had fallen because our side DID NOT employ proper tactics I would be a tad upset.
My rant endeth.

 

[Lumber]

You should have been lawyer.

I get that more often than is good for my self-confidence. Lol.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I get that more often than is good for my self-confidence. Lol.

Interesting way to internalize these comments.

 

[Good2Golf]

Second, that post doesn't purporte to provide the complete list of casualties from the strike, but just those they considered terrorists.

Looking forward to your provision of the complete list of victims.