Hamas invaded Israel 2023

[Colin Parkinson]

Good thing it doesn't matter what Canadians, or Gov of Canada for that matter, thinks. Israel will do what needs to be done, the gloves are off after Oct. You can't kill Hamas with words and convenings. With Rafah the last safe-haven for hamas and most of the gaza population sheltered there, casualties reported by hamas will only go up, whether real or not.

Your not inferring that Hamas I mean UNRWA would lie about causality rates would you?

 

[Quirky]

Your not inferring that Hamas I mean UNRWA would lie about causality rates would you?

I like how the UNRWA/Hamas already know the death count of Israeli strikes minutes after they happen. The numbers are nice and round too. They must have scanning technology that goes through all that concrete.

 

[TacticalTea]

Some recent Canadian polling results out ....

In Gaza-Israel conflict, sympathies now shared equally between both sides after shift in Canadian opinion -

Concern over genocide allegations drives increase in calls for a full ceasefire February 12, 2024 – As the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza drags on, new data from the non-profit Angus Reid Institute finds Canadians’ sympathies shifting. At the outset of the conflict, there was a 10-point...

angusreid.org

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Note the age split on this question ...
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... and here's how it was done
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More details in the link or in attached if link doesn't work for you.

Huh, so likelihood of being a genocidal antisemite is correlated with youth and femaleness.

Be curious so see how it correlates with political affiliations.

(Don't mind my cynicism...)

 

[The Bread Guy]

Huh, so likelihood of being a genocidal antisemite is correlated with youth and femaleness.

Be curious so see how it correlates with political affiliations.

(Don't mind my cynicism...)

That's in there, too ....

.... and I'm guessing you're not entirely shocked

 

[TacticalTea]

That's in there, too ....
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.... and I'm guessing you're not entirely shocked

Correct, not entirely shocked, but still a bit shocked at the magnitude of the differences.

We now live in a post-truth world.

Farewell, Civilization.

 

[Kirkhill]

Correct, not entirely shocked, but still a bit shocked at the magnitude of the differences.

We now live in a post-truth world.

Farewell, Civilization.

We used to just refer to those as differences of opinion.

Be nice if we could all figure out how to rub along together.

The Earl of Shaftesbury states that civility and politeness is a consequence of liberty by which

And thus in other respects Wit will mend upon our hands, and Humour will refine it-self; if we take care not to tamper with it, and bring it under Constraint, by severe Usage and rigorous Prescriptions. All Politeness is owing to Liberty. We polish one another, and rub off our Corners and rough...

oll.libertyfund.org

 

[TacticalTea]

We used to just refer to those as differences of opinion.

Be nice if we could all figure out how to rub along together.

The Earl of Shaftesbury states that civility and politeness is a consequence of liberty by which

And thus in other respects Wit will mend upon our hands, and Humour will refine it-self; if we take care not to tamper with it, and bring it under Constraint, by severe Usage and rigorous Prescriptions. All Politeness is owing to Liberty. We polish one another, and rub off our Corners and rough...

oll.libertyfund.org

Perhaps there is a saving grace.

Just a matter of letting them understand there is only a military solution.

 

[Kirkhill]

Perhaps there is a saving grace.
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Just a matter of letting them understand there is only a military solution.

A good chunk of the population understands the desired end state, they just don't like the means of achieving it. That seems, unsurprisingly and traditionally, to be particularly true of the women and especially young women.

 

[TacticalTea]

A good chunk of the population understands the desired end state, they just don't like the means of achieving it. That seems, unsurprisingly and traditionally, to be particularly true of the women and especially young women.

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Which holds true across all domains of political action and is why unsurprisingly and traditionally - as you say -, philosophers have seldom advocated for universal suffrage.

No one likes to see cops beat up criminals, but that's the price to pay for clean streets.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Wrong thread

 

[daftandbarmy]

How likely is a ceasefire? Alot of variables in play it seems ...

Sky's military analyst Michael Clarke discusses whether Israel and Hamas are likely to agree to a military pause, potentially forestalling Israel's planned ground offensive in Rafah.Israel claims that Rafah, on the Gaza-Egypt border, is home to the last remaining Hamas stronghold in the region and signalled that its forces may soon target the city.An estimated 1.5 million people are sheltering in Rafah and the UK Foreign Secretary, Lord Cameron, has urged Israel to "stop and think" before taking any further action.

 

[Good2Golf]

How likely is a ceasefire?

…you mean like the one in effect right up until 7 Oct?

 

[OldSolduer]

I will point out that any civilian killed during that raid was probably there voluntarily - which makes them complicit - or held by force, which is a trademark of terrorists. Terrorists love to take and abuse hostages but when faced with a real armed force (here the Israeli military) they lose....and lose badly.

 

[Quirky]

UK Foreign Secretary, Lord Cameron, has urged Israel to "stop and think" before taking any further action.

…..and do what exactly? What’s the UKs solution, what’s Canadas? Oh right Ceasefire Now!
Israel just needs to finish this.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

…..and do what exactly? What’s the UKs solution, what’s Canadas? Oh right Ceasefire Now!
Israel just needs to finish this.

The Western politicians have to appease the domestic gods, who are to shortsighted to see how the fight pertains to them.

 

[KevinB]

A good chunk of the population understands the desired end state, they just don't like the means of achieving it. That seems, unsurprisingly and traditionally, to be particularly true of the women and especially young women.

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Pretty solid argument that maybe the voting age should be 35 and higher.

 

[Quirky]

Pretty solid argument that maybe the voting age should be 35 and higher.

I would say 25+. That way you'd still eliminate the radical left activist college/university types but still get the younger generation who've already entered the work force.

 

[Maxman1]

Voting age was 21 until 1970.

 

[Remius]

I would say 25+. That way you'd still eliminate the radical left activist college/university types but still get the younger generation who've already entered the work force.

Your wanting to remove a voting population based on their political leanings seems quite undemocratic.

How about adding an age limit say 65 when most retire so right wing old geezers can’t vote either? They will have left the workforce since the workforce is one of your qualifiers.

I’d rather tie voting to national service but failing that just keep it where it is. In fact I’d be ok lowering it but not without a qualifying factor (like NS, a test etc).

 

[Kirkhill]

Extended Adolescence: When 25 Is the New 18

It is a common grumble that children grow up too fast. No more. Teens are in no hurry to embrace the putative joys of adulthood

www.scientificamerican.com

'Adolescence now lasts from 10 to 24'

Delayed marriage and parenthood has pushed back perceptions of when adulthood starts.

www.bbc.com

If adolescence now lasts until 24, what does that mean for the rest of us? | Yvonne Roberts

The rigid boundaries of youth are giving way, but sooner or later we must all learn to grow up

www.theguardian.com

Follow the science? And the Guardian?