Hamas invaded Israel 2023

[Eaglelord17]

For the crowd in the "lets keep doing what hasn't ever been working" club, this will be fun to watch.

Its Canadian nature to be forever pessimistic and offended by novel ideas.

So the solution is ethnic cleansing (aka genocide) coupled with invading/annexing land that does not belong to or has ever belonged to the US? Sounds like a real winner of a idea.

The Americans sure need more living space.

 

[Remius]

For the crowd in the "lets keep doing what hasn't ever been working" club, this will be fun to watch.

Its Canadian nature to be forever pessimistic and offended by novel ideas.

The idea definitely not novel.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The idea definitely not novel.

Yes well the American presence in Lebanon worked wonders....

I can imagine the Pentagon going: "WTF is he smoking?"

 

[QV]

So the solution is ethnic cleansing (aka genocide) coupled with invading/annexing land that does not belong to or has ever belonged to the US? Sounds like a real winner of a idea.

The Americans sure need more living space.

Ethnic cleansing!? Are you for real?

 

[Quirky]

So the solution is ethnic cleansing (aka genocide) coupled with invading/annexing land that does not belong to or has ever belonged to the US? Sounds like a real winner of a idea.

The Americans sure need more living space.

Moving 2 million people, temporarily, out of a desert wasteland filled with collapsed and semi-collapsed concrete buildings not to mention the thousands of unexploded ordinance isn't genocide. You have a twisted view on the situation if you think keeping these people caged and reliant on hundreds of daily aid trucks, not to mention with elements of hamas still running around, is the best short term solution.

 

[Remius]

Moving 2 million people, temporarily, out of a desert wasteland filled with collapsed and semi-collapsed concrete buildings not to mention the thousands of unexploded ordinance isn't genocide. You have a twisted view on the situation if you think keeping these people caged and reliant on hundreds of daily aid trucks, not to mention with elements of hamas still running around, is the best short term solution.

Would you say they would be moved for their own good?

That desert waste land seems pretty coveted by a lot of different players.

Moving them by force? Or are they going on their own accord?

Is it temporary? Doesn’t sound that way.

Who has them caged in?

I totally agree that the situation needs fixing. I don’t think that the solution proposed is even remotely a good idea. My suspicion is that this isn’t a short term plan either. There is a long game being played here.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Ethnic cleansing!? Are you for real?

It is literally the text book definition. Doesn’t get much more clear cut than what Trump proposed.

Ethnic cleansing is defined as:

1. the mass expulsion or killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society.
   

Moving 2 million people, temporarily, out of a desert wasteland filled with collapsed and semi-collapsed concrete buildings not to mention the thousands of unexploded ordinance isn't genocide. You have a twisted view on the situation if you think keeping these people caged and reliant on hundreds of daily aid trucks, not to mention with elements of hamas still running around, is the best short term solution.

From what he has said:
a) it isn’t temporary.
b) no one wants to take them in so forced migration to areas they aren’t wanted

You have a twisted view if you think that the US has the right to unilaterally expel and occupy land.

Maybe they should have stopped Israel when it went past the point of self defense into the realm of retribution/punitive measures which it is hard to argue the complete destruction of Gaza isn’t. Maybe Israel should be funding a rebuild for their war crimes.

 

[shiska]

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.

I aint no language-ologist but... ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[KevinB]

It is literally the text book definition. Doesn’t get much more clear cut than what Trump proposed.

Ethnic cleansing is defined as:

1. the mass expulsion or killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society.

Except it would be rebuilding the society to make a tourist haven, that would (theoretically) provide a much higher quality of life for the Palestinians.

From what he has said:
a) it isn’t temporary.
b) no one wants to take them in so forced migration to areas they aren’t wanted

You glossed over the fact it is designed to use the Palestinians as a labor pool for the newly created tourism Mecca (maybe a poor word for that area )

You have a twisted view if you think that the US has the right to unilaterally expel and occupy land.

I don’t see any evidence of that. Now I don’t think it’s feasible, as all of us over 50 have seen the result of what occurred in Lebanon, which was a tourist haven - and was still utterly ravaged by civil war and religious extremism.

Maybe they should have stopped Israel when it went past the point of self defense into the realm of retribution/punitive measures which it is hard to argue the complete destruction of Gaza isn’t. Maybe Israel should be funding a rebuild for their war crimes.

You’re grasping hard and making all sorts of unfounded allegations, which totally diminishes anything you say, as you just come off (yet again) as vehemently antisemitic.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Egypt is not taking them, no matter what Trump says, they have enough of a problem with the MB and ISIS in the Sinai as it is. That many going into Jordon is likley to topple the western friendly government, so nope. That leaves KSA, Syria, Libya and Algeria. Trump can't force any of them to comply.

 

[QV]

Egypt is not taking them, no matter what Trump says, they have enough of a problem with the MB and ISIS in the Sinai as it is. That many going into Jordon is likley to topple the western friendly government, so nope. That leaves KSA, Syria, Libya and Algeria. Trump can't force any of them to comply.

"Trump can't" has been said a lot. Yet he seems to find ways. I wouldn't write this off.

 

[KevinB]

Egypt is not taking them, no matter what Trump says, they have enough of a problem with the MB and ISIS in the Sinai as it is. That many going into Jordon is likley to topple the western friendly government, so nope. That leaves KSA, Syria, Libya and Algeria. Trump can't force any of them to comply.

For the majority it would be temporary - I suspect Egypt would entertain it, as they have a lot of Military wants from the US to replace Russian systems - and they are generally willing to erect camps in the desert to put people in that are very awkward to leave.

Trump wants to pacify the ME as peace theoretically makes for good business, he's not a warrior, and his businesses are not based on armed conflict, and are in fact hurt by them.

 

[brihard]

A ton of Palestinians have said unequivocally that they will not leave Gaza, and nobody has the lawful authority to force them to anyway. A great many have no other nationality.

There does not appear to be a non-ethnically-cleansy way for Gaza to be emptied of Palestinians for the purpose of redevelopment. There is certainly zero conceivable justification for the U.S. to claim any ‘ownership’ on a short nor long term basis. There will need to be alternative approaches devised that do not constitute crimes against humanity via forced displacement and annexation.

At this part nothing has advanced past ‘blowhard being a blowhard’ stage, and that’s good. Stupid mouth noises are easy enough to walk back in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Except it would be rebuilding the society to make a tourist haven, that would (theoretically) provide a much higher quality of life for the Palestinians.

You glossed over the fact it is designed to use the Palestinians as a labor pool for the newly created tourism Mecca (maybe a poor word for that area )

I don’t see any evidence of that. Now I don’t think it’s feasible, as all of us over 50 have seen the result of what occurred in Lebanon, which was a tourist haven - and was still utterly ravaged by civil war and religious extremism.

You’re grasping hard and making all sorts of unfounded allegations, which totally diminishes anything you say, as you just come off (yet again) as vehemently antisemitic.

Ahh yes, anyone critical of the state of Israel (which is a secular state by the way, at least on paper) must be antisemitic. The standard response of those who seek to avoid any sort of critical look at the atrocities Israel has committed. It in no way excuses the Palestinians actions either, but it doesn't absolve Israel of the crimes it commits. The difference being no one is holding Israel to account, Palestine is more than held accountable though the violence Israel unleashes on it (be it at peace or war).

 

[MrWhyt]

A ton of Palestinians have said unequivocally that they will not leave Gaza, and nobody has the lawful authority to force them to anyway.

"no wars "trump is proposing that the US now involves itself in counter-insurgency operations for the next few decades.

 

[QV]

I guess Gaza get's 51st state status... best we can hope for is 52 now... that's what happens when you dither!