Heavier....applicants.

[Patrolman]

RCAC
Why don't you go preach your sermon to your colleagues at the Armoured School. There are plenty of fatties there you could whip into shape! When I did my JLC/JNCO in 2000 I had several Cpl's from the Armoured school on course with me. Guess what not one of them could keep up to our 55 year old (Former Base RSM) course officer on a 4 km run.
If you want to be technical. What would you know about rucking either. Last time I checked Armoured guys do not wear their rucks in their tanks. So aside from PT when was the last time you were dismounted with a ruck on your back.
As I have said before there are exceptions to every rule. Obviously you are one in the case of the armoured and the gentlemen who started this thread is the exception for heavy people. So lay off with the rude comments.
I in no way feel that people who are fat and can't meet the standard should be retained by the CF. I believe standards need to be increased then if people can't rise to the next level then boot them. You can't say however, that someone who is meeting the standards set by the CDS is the problem with the military.

 

[orange.paint]

291, you keep running back to the "but I'm smart" defence. That's fine. What I get from this forum is this:

"If you are fat don't worry the army will get you in shape."

And somehow you seem OK with this statement.If you are someones superior by rank or appointment you should set the example.

Smart and obese,no good.

dumb and fit ,no good.

smart and fit,soldier.

And to put it into your tunnel vision world here's a 291 story.Had a brilliant young guy working there in 2000.Fit,big time computer junkie (little hacker kid) and loved his job at Leitrim.He later discovered he had diabetes and was released.

What does that say? he wasn't fit to fight,even though he was smart,physically fit he did not match up medically.If your Fat you don't measure up either.Taxpayers see you walking the streets in your uniform,what do they think? (If walking is below minimum standard,or if your not too smart to walk)

Also for young recruits they must remember the biggest failure on course is injury.If you show up not use to running 5 km everyday etc your body can easily break.As Allan alluded to earlier you have a lot of time waiting to get in now take it and train! I'm going on parental leave and plan on coming back in better shape due to the down time I'm going to have.People make excuses and yours 291er seems to be your smarter than everyone else so here's an idea,measure calories exert force to burn.But I'm sure you know all about that in books and stuff....just too smart to apply it.

And a bit of a question here,you were reserve infantry,then it says former291er...so are you even still in?Or were you reserve 291 in kingston?

And yes I do take a lot of ribbing about being 60 lbs lighter,AID's ,cancer,etc....bastards.

So being smart allows you to be fat,so does that mean a man of 5 foot 6 can run slower on squadron runs or take an extra 10 minutes on a BFT? NO.You work with what god/Allah etc gave you and adapt.If your physically weaker due to genetics you dam well better work harder.I personally wouldn't want to let my troop down in the heat of battle due to my poor condition.Not only does that risk my life but also my troops.

 

[orange.paint]

Also patrol man it's called "recce."I have dismounted out of grizzlys.We have more than tanks...I also recall passing a whole lot of blue outfits on PT this morning.

And yes i do preach my "sermon" or atleast try to help guys out on what I can at the armoured school.This isnt a trade related topic,its fitness.i mnot saying people who meet the weak standards should be booted,But read back to original post here saying you dont even run 2.4 km your first day.Thats not meeting regular standards and telling young fat guys not to worry come on in we'll get you moving is not good for them or the CF.

 

[Patrolman]

Ah, yes recce that is what they call it. I was in recce for a couple of years. As for passing the boys in blue you must be talking about the Air Force. Just joking, as I said you are an exception.

 

[GO!!!]

I like the earlier statement about making prospective applicants pass the PT test before coming to Basic.

The army is not some sort of "fat camp" or self improvement school. It is a place to do your job - as it is taught to you.

The "I'm smart" argument does not measure up.

If you are so smart, why do you allow yourself to be a fat POS, which is guaranteed to kill you early, and blow out knees and ankles young?

Sounds pretty smart...

And of course, the smartest guys get out, and start successful businesses, and become millionaires, but you are'nt that smart either.

291er,

People like you are a cancer on the CF, convincing more like minded sloths to join - for shame. We want the top 5%, not the bottom.

 

[Deleted member 15361]

Harsh man. As I said in the post I am smart but not VERY smart, I am in no way claiming to be superior to people, as I said in this whole post,  EVERYONE has strengths and weaknesses,EVERYONE. Its the diversity in our strengths and weaknesses that make the canadian forces work.
This is getting crazy.

 

[orange.paint]

. As for passing the boys in blue you must be talking about the Air Force. Just joking, as I said you are an exception.

;D ;D ;D
I believe our younger guys are acually more fit now than ever.Its 5-6 yrs ago when everyone had the "death before dismount" attitude which per's of higher rank pushed down to the young guys.

 

[scoutfinch]

And of course, the smartest guys get out, and start successful businesses, and become millionaires, but you are'nt that smart either.

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People like you are a cancer on the CF, convincing more like minded sloths to join - for shame. We want the top 5%, not the bottom.

With all due respect, there is a fundamental inconsistency with these two statements.

Firstly, I left a very lucrative civilian job that paid me in excess of 3 times what I would make IF I were a full-time CF member ( I am a Reservist because at the time there was no other way into INT without a CT) -- this represents a HUGE cut in pay.  I may have made all kinds of coin in the past but I had ZERO job satisfaction.  I believe strongly in public service and even more in defending this Country and everything for which is stands.  To suggest that responding to the call to duty rather than making tons of money makes one stupid is an affront to all people who serve because they can rather than because they must.  It simply feeds to a long held stereotype that people in the military only join because they couldn't find a decent job on civie street. 

If you really want the top 5%, I guess the next question you need to ask is "the top 5% of what?"... the ones with the most strength, the most brains, the most technical skills, the most leadership, the most self-discipline??? Or do you look for individuals that demonstrate strengths in all of these areas, with some aspects being stronger than others???

I am physically fit for a 39 year old woman and meet all current physical standards set by the CF for my age and gender.  That being said, I recognize that I need more work on my upper body strength so as to meet/surpass the standard that I perceive required to do the job.  Cardio is not a problem as I am a distance runner.  By your comments, I would have no place in the CF.  And again, with all due respect, I believe you are wrong. 

I may not be able to do 40 pushups right now (I will be by the end of May if it kills me!) but I bring skills to the CF that other applicants don't.  The CF needs those skills otherwise they wouldn't have offered me a position.  I am prepared to invest the hard work and effort in order to achieve the heightened physical standards that I believe are required to do the job but that does not mean that the other skills that I bring to the table are any less valuable than the upper body strength that I am working towards.

Again, I mean no offense but I suspect that your comments speak more about yourself than it does about others.

 

[ZipperHead]

Again, I mean no offense but I suspect that your comments speak more about yourself than it does about others.

Scoutfinch, I think that GO!!!!'s comments touched a nerve. I don't recall him directing this at you, or even anybody who is "too good to be in the military". I think it says more about you (being insecure) than about him (being "insensitive"). He was (IMO) commenting on the "he/she is fat, so they must be smart for the CF to keep them in". If you fit into that category, I'm sure he is reaaaaallllll sorry he offended you (yeah, right!).

I was told by one of my buddies (from school back home) that "I was too smart for the Army". I took it as a backhanded compliment, because it made army guys sound stupid, as per the stereotype. But I don't use being good in one area as an excuse to slip into another. That's lazy and easy. If you want to do that, do it somewhere other than the CF. Yes, there are dogfuckers in the CF, and every last one should be kicked out. Full stop. Or get their shit together to stay employed. Full stop. If you don't like this mentality (as usually exhibited by dumb army guys (by that I mean combat arms types), who weren't smart enough to get a "real" trade) , tough shitski.

Al

 

[Kat Stevens]

I always thought I was in the army because I was not too bright, but could lift heavy things.  Since retirement, I have discovered that I grossly overestimated the intelligence of the civilian populace.  It's not hard for a good soldier to shine out here.  Off topic, but sorta not, I think...I hope...

 

[scoutfinch]

He was (IMO) commenting on the "he/she is fat, so they must be smart for the CF to keep them in". If you fit into that category, I'm sure he is reaaaaallllll sorry he offended you (yeah, right!).

If this is the case, then I misinterpreted for which I apologize.  I certainly do not fit into that category.  I was referring to his comment that smart people get out of the army, not get in or stay in. 

I was told by one of my buddies (from school back home) that "I was too smart for the Army". I took it as a backhanded compliment, because it made army guys sound stupid, as per the stereotype. But I don't use being good in one area as an excuse to slip into another. That's lazy and easy. If you want to do that, do it somewhere other than the CF. Yes, there are dogfuckers in the CF, and every last one should be kicked out. Full stop. Or get their crap together to stay employed. Full stop. If you don't like this mentality (as usually exhibited by dumb army guys (by that I mean combat arms types), who weren't smart enough to get a "real" trade) , tough shitski.
Al

I  thnk we agree on a certain point: namely, that soldiers that aren't prepared to get their shit together, need to get out.  I consider myself as one who is striving to exceed standards not meet them. 

I wish to clarify that I was not suggesting that combat arms soldiers aren't smart enough to get another trade.  My son is in the combat arms.  I believe most combat arms soldiers have a calling to do what they are doing.  They are not doing it by default.  I hope my post was not interpreted to suggest that I believe combat arms soldiers are *dumb army guys* because that is the furthest thing from the truth.  I have an immense amount of respect for the combat arms. 

 

[TCBF]

Right, well, enough of this, I'm getting ready to shut things down here in a few hours, grab a quick meal and run 5.5km.  "Keyboards Kill!"

 

[George Wallace]

Are you dragging Ziggie along with you so that one will be there to perform CPR on the other should anything drastic happen out near Swan Lake?  Remember the "Buddy System".  Also, when running with a group, remember to stay in front of the young guys, just in case you need CPR.

Bear Drill!