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High Ranking Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

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If you stunt drive drunk, pursued, across an interprovincial boundary and are arrested at gunpoint... and it's the third disciplinary hearing you're found guilty at for a variety of infractions, why are you still a cop?


 
Where there are no injuries, the person has no record, and it’s an event of a few seconds- where the person readily admits they were wrong and completes counselling- not just saying they are going to go or that they are going- what do you think should happen to a first time offender in the Canadian system? Like if they weren’t a cop.

I’m legitimately curious. So he will have a professional hearing about the conduct- the court is dealing specifically with the criminal part- what would be the appropriate jail time that you would suggest for them?

Like…if they were convicted and given probation would that be better? They would get a pardon eventually but like is that the issue?

Like they are a social services worker or a teacher- this isn’t unusual for them to find themselves on that side of an investigation like this except the person wouldn’t be handcuffed.
 
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I’m legitimately curious.
Fair question. Let me ask something first to help me articulate an answer.

Suppose you charge me for something. Say going through a red light. You say I'm guilty, I say I'm innocent. There's no proof it's just your word against mine. Does the court take your word over mine?
 
Where there are no injuries, the person has no record, and it’s an event of a few seconds- where the person readily admits they were wrong and completes counselling- not just saying they are going to go or that they are going- what do you think should happen to a first time offender in the Canadian system? Like if they weren’t a cop.

I’m legitimately curious. So he will have a professional hearing about the conduct- the court is dealing specifically with the criminal part- what would be the appropriate jail time that you would suggest for them?

Like…if they were convicted and given probation would that be better? They would get a pardon eventually but like is that the issue?

Like they are a social services worker or a teacher- this isn’t unusual for them to find themselves on that side of an investigation like this except the person wouldn’t be handcuffed.

Not jail time, but when the sheep dog attacks the sheep... well in this case he probably should lose his job.

If I assaulted and handcuffed a subordinate who was having a mental break down and instead of providing the leadership or compassion that is expected of me, I can tell you with no shadow of a doubt my career would be over.

That shows an inability to contain ones emotions and composure in stressful situations, not someone I want walking around with a badge, feeling of power and a firearm.
 
Like they are a social services worker or a teacher- this isn’t unusual for them to find themselves on that side of an investigation like this except the person wouldn’t be handcuffed.

The US began phasing out the use of handcuffs by paramedics beginning in 2021.

May 28, 2024

MINNEAPOLIS — Hennepin County is phasing out the use of handcuffs by its paramedics to secure unruly patients, after its leaders checked and discovered that its urban ambulance agency was among the last in the nation to still use them.

City of Minneapolis paramedics reportedly handcuffed more than 2,000 patients in 2023.
 
Fair question. Let me ask something first to help me articulate an answer.

Suppose you charge me for something. Say going through a red light. You say I'm guilty, I say I'm innocent. There's no proof it's just your word against mine. Does the court take your word over mine?
In the absence of footage and notes? No. If in your scenario you immediately took a bunch of notes about your ticket and the circumstances- and I had no camera footage there’s actually a very good chance the judge would find us both credible.

What gets people convicted isn’t the officers word- it’s the preparation. The notes and testimony demonstrate that the officer was paying attention in that moment to what they were doing- and the other person can’t say the same. Not that they were more honest because of their job- those days have been gone a long time. Its routine to lose personally observed offences in court, where multiple officers have observed the offence, where the defence isn’t much more than “no I didn’t”.

twenty years ago they would have 100% taken the police officers word. That isn’t the reality today.

The courts expectation of who is credible isnt really a factor in this article though. This a criminal trial not a professional conduct hearing.
Not jail time, but when the sheep dog attacks the sheep... well in this case he probably should lose his job.

If I assaulted and handcuffed a subordinate who was having a mental break down and instead of providing the leadership or compassion that is expected of me, I can tell you with no shadow of a doubt my career would be over.

That shows an inability to contain ones emotions and composure in stressful situations, not someone I want walking around with a badge, feeling of power and a firearm.
I agree with that idea more often than not. It’s too hard to let police officers go but that’s not done in criminal court either.
 
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I agree with that idea more often than not. It’s too hard to let police officers go but that’s not done in criminal court either.
Maybe a good comparison would be:

NDA/CSD equals Criminal Code. Both can send you to jail, impose fines and conditions.
DAOD 5019 series equals Police Services Acts. Both can alter or end your career without sending you to jail.
 
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