High Speed Train Coming?-split from boosting Canada’s military spending"

[Halifax Tar]

Quite possibly. With my memory these days it's hard to recall what I posted this morning.

The only point I was trying to make was that any public work that requires land that the government (or government-backed consortium) doesn't already own is inevitably going to require an 'eminent domain' type acquisition unless we want it to be reduced to a series of willing participant transactions or accept that projects simply won't be done.

I get it; expropriation sucks if you are on the receiving end, but setting aside if HSR is a good idea or not, how else are large-scale undertakings that are allegedly in the public interest expected to proceed?

Right now, the CAF is getting a lot of push-back in the Simcoe County area because of its land requirements for the proposed OTH radar. Accepting the technical requirements that the site has to be situated there, does the government simply shrug and walk away muttering (and telling its NORAD partner) 'I guess we don't need modern radar'? Even if they could shift it a bit, I doubt there is a lot of land in southern Ontario, particular a large, contiguous plot, that isn't owned by somebody.

If its that so important that we need to buy peoples private land, pay what the people want or go find another route/place.

 

[Halifax Tar]

People saw the area of study and lost their minds. When all is said and done it'll be a strip 60 meters wide and there'll be plenty consultation and accommodation.

Alto tripped up by not making this plain in there initial presentations.

I am glad you're ok with 60 meters.

I wont post names but this is a screen cap of one post:



This isn't healing Canada. Shame on this Gov.

 

[ytz]

the survey lines at least delineate the dividing line between landowners. If you can follow one of them the right of way will take 50 meters off adjacent lots without butchering a series of properties. Might be a number of houses to set back or replace but at least the majority of land is accessible. The problems after Havelock for their northern route are swamps and lakes. Its reasonably flat but from Perth to Ottawa there are a lot of good properties and farmland to contend with.

They have pledged to do exactly this. Funny how you give highways the benefit of doubt. And don't even bother to understand what Alto proposes to do but jump right to criticism.

They have repeatedly said, their goal is minimal expropriation. They will use existing corridors and lot lines to the maximum extent practicable.

 

[ytz]

If its that so important that we need to buy peoples private land, pay what the people want or go find another route/place.

And to be clear, they have said expropriation is not first resort. And that compensation will not be based on land value alone but includes things like loss of business.

 

[Halifax Tar]

And to be clear, they have said expropriation is not first resort. And that compensation will not be based on land value alone but includes things like loss of business.

I am unwilling to circle this drain with you. I understand you are deeply committed to this and have a damn the torpedoes attitude for the people, land and space this will trample over.

You know what, I will walk that back a bit. I was being unfair

This is not healing Canada. Shame on this Gov. *I maintain this point though.

There is a way to do this and not create division and tare apart family farms and communities. Give them their asking price to leave the land. Get their consent.

 

[Altair]

This thread was much better closed.