highland regiment in the reg forces?

[TCBF]

Turns out - this just in - the Chinese might have got here first. Some remote Atlantic Canadian outpost. There is a May 16 academic conference at the Library of Congress.  British author Gavin Menzies is trying to convince the world that Chinese naval commander Zeng He reached the Americas in 1421. The conference is celebrating his first voyage 600 years ago.

The powers that be are dismissing this a "psuedo-science".  But then, so is global warming, and billions of suckers believe in that puppy.

 

[Kat Stevens]

yes i am extremely happy being Canadian my family came here in the 1850's. i still like the Scottish regiments. they are the toughest sons of ******* i have seen. also i like there traditions.

Well then, in that case I apologize, and defer to your experience in this matter...

Kat

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Quote,
Well then, in that case I apologize, and defer to your experience in this matter...

...well now its my turn to laugh Dr. Pepper all over my keyboard.......thanks

 

[Kat Stevens]

Thanks , Bruce.... I do what I can.... ;D

CHIMO,  Kat

 

[Zartan]

Personally, I don't consider the term "Highlander" being indicative of Scotishness. while it has an obvious scottish history (der), I believe Canada has had Highlanders long enough to be considered apart of our domestic military history (sorry if this didn't make any sense). I think regimental names which actually mention nationalities should be discouraged among the regular force, I think it is fine with the militia (wouldn't all the original members have been from the country to which the regiment was named = history = good). Besides, Canada has highlands aplenty - just look at a topographical map. So why not? Reviving the Royal Highland Regiment as reg would be excellent - a step in the right direction (though the force will need thousands more than the 5 000 they want to fill the gaps and form the RHR - my guess - 20 000). However, if history is any indication, the government would name the regiment after the oldest reserve battalion (GG guards excluded), like they did in the 1950s. So it would either be the Queen's own Rifles of Canada (of Toronto) or the Black Watch.
By the way, I once heard of a militia regiment from Vancouver called the Irish Rangers or something like that, so that makes 3 Irish battalions, and a 1st battalion of the Irish Regiment was disbanded about 40 years ago - I think they too were from Vancouver.

 

[48Highlander]

a Scottish/ Irish regiment does not force you to follow a religion. it allows anyone to join. if a Muslim wanted to join a Scottish regiment they could, they would be able to were there religious items. if a Scot were to join a Muslim regiment. they would not be able to were for example a kilt. you should not base a regiment on religion.

Eh, come again?  Since when is a kilt considered a religious item?  Also, how many Scottish people do you think are in the, for instance, RCR, and how many of them are allowed to wear a kilt as part of the uniform?  Would you consider it racial discrimination that you can't wear your kilt in the field?  In fact, how many Scots do you know who wear a kilt for anything except formal occasions?  Muslims wear a turban on a daily basis; it's part of their religion.  A Scottish person in a muslim regiment would not be allowed to wear a kilt, just like a Japanese person in a Scottish regiment would not be allowed to wear a Kimono.  However if our hypothetical Scottsman happened to be christian he could certainly wear a cross.  Or the star of david if he were a jew, or whatever symbol of whatever faith he may be.

The main reason we have Scottish units at all is because they were originaly privately created.  Influential citizens started the units, paid for the men and equipment, and as such also got to chose how their soldiers dressed.  We keep the traditions because they're part of those units now, and getting units to abandon traditions or uniforms is about as "easy" as getting 'em to mark time on their colours.  As you may be aware though, new units these days are (or would be) created and paid for by the government.  Which means they get to dress like CANADIAN soldiers, and start their own traditions, not attempt to import the traditions of units which have been around for over 100 years.

 

[TCBF]

"Which means they get to dress like CANADIAN soldiers, and start their own traditions, not attempt to import the traditions of units which have been around for over 100 years."

Hear Hear! (sound of thumping on the dining room table). ;D

 

[Britney Spears]

Muslims wear a turban on a daily basis; it's part of their religion.

Cite please?

 

[48Highlander]

Cite please?

Sure thing chief:

In the Junamsakhi, it says:

AwKy nwnk Swh s`c suxhu bhwaudIn pIr[

ihMdU muslmwn doie isr guMm QIey zhIr[

Guru Nanak said, listen to the truth saint Buhoudeen, both Hindus and Muslims have been separated from God by cutting their hair.

Av`l suMnq mUey hYN isr qy rKY joie[

pwvY murwqbw s`XdI vfw irKISr hoie[

The hair is the gift of God, who ever keeps it on his head, in this world and the next world, he will receive respect.

swbq sUriq dsqwr isrw

The true form that God created man in was with a turban on his head.

Translations in blue, and it's been formatted by me.   Original is here.

 

[Inch]

Muslims wear a turban on a daily basis; it's part of their religion.  A

Sorry, not true. I work with 2 Muslims and they don't wear a turban on a daily basis, if ever.  I know a lot of Muslims that don't wear turbans, I think you're confusing them with the Sikhs/Hindus.

Che? Input?

 

[Britney Spears]

You do realize you're quoting a holy book of the Sikhs, linked to a site titled "Providing resources for the sikh youth"  don't you?

In any case, I've done some searching on my own and have been satisfactorily enlightened, so no worries either way.

Answer: Shi'ite ayatollas wear a black turban to indicate descent from the Prophet, and there was a point when <a href=http://www.rawa.org/turban.htm>the Taliban made white and black turbans mandatory for school boys</a>. Unlike the Sikhs, Muslims wear turbans purely for utilitarian reasons. Hence they are rarely worn by  Muslims outside the middle east, or even in developed urban centers in the middle east.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turban

 

[Infanteer]

Well then, in that case I apologize, and defer to your experience in this matter...

Priceless....

Hutch, you'd best quit while you're behind - better head back to the Cadet Forums.

 

[48Highlander]

Hey, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not all that spiritualy enlightened.  I couldn't tell you the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim without first researching it, and I don't particularily have any interest in the field.  I also have no idea what the differences between Prodestants and Catholics are, other than that they seem to think there's big ones, and spent a couple decades killing eachother over them.  I know that the Turban is a religious symbol for A religion; as to which one(s), or the exact where-why-how of it, I have no clue.  So I apologize if I got the religion wrong, but I think the idea I was attempting to communicate was fairly clear anyway.

 

[Britney Spears]

Hey, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not all that spiritualy enlightened.  I couldn't tell you the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim without first researching it, and I don't particularily have any interest in the field.  I also have no idea what the differences between Prodestants and Catholics are, other than that they seem to think there's big ones, and spent a couple decades killing eachother over them.  I know that the Turban is a religious symbol for A religion; as to which one(s), or the exact where-why-how of it, I have no clue.  So I apologize if I got the religion wrong, but I think the idea I was attempting to communicate was fairly clear anyway.

There HAS to be a punchline involving SHARP training in there somewhere.....

 

[Britney Spears]

I don't mean to pick on <b>48Highlander</b>, but there was a wave of anti-sikh violence in the US immedietly after Sept. 11th with a number of deaths, due to the fact that Sikh men wore turbans and long beards. Muslim men in North America do not wear turbans and generally only keep short, trimmed beards, neither of which have much to do with the Islamic faith itself. A minor point in this context, perhaps, but not knowing the difference between the two comes of as a little ignorant in this day and age.

Maybe this should be moved to the Equipment forum..... 

 

[48Highlander]

I don't mean to pick on <b>48Highlander</b>, but there was a wave of anti-sikh violence in the US immedietly after Sept. 11th with a number of deaths, due to the fact that Sikh men wore turbans and long beards. Muslim men in North America do not wear turbans and generally only keep short, trimmed beards, neither of which have much to do with the Islamic faith itself. A minor point in this context, perhaps, but not knowing the difference between the two comes of as a little ignorant in this day and age.

Maybe this should be moved to the Equipment forum.....  

Most people don't know the difference between a computer worm and a computer virus, which seems a little ignorant to me.
Most civvies have no idea what the difference between a rifle and a machinegun is, which may seem ignorant to many military types.

Religion doesn't interest me.  I respect peoples right to practice their religion as they see fit, and beleive what they want to beleive, and that's all that should matter.  I was aware that most muslims don't wear turbans, since I know that the majority of Iraqi's for instance do not wear them, however, I still associated the turban with Muslims instead of Sikhs.  Although now that you've taken the time to get all ana.....to "correct" me, I won't be making the same mistake again.

Now, what does this wave of anti-Sikh violence have to do with anything?  Would you have been happier if it had been a wave of anti-Muslim violence?  It's "ignorant" to attack people of ANY religious or racial group based on the actions of a few individuals; the fact that these morons were also attacking the wrong group seems trivial in comparison.

 

[Britney Spears]

Now, what does this wave of anti-Sikh violence have to do with anything?

Because you're making the same mistake they are? (that is,you got muslims and sikhs mixed up, not that you murder people over their headdress)

Hey I'm a liberal I care about these things.....

 

[Jonny Boy]

Eh, come again?  Since when is a kilt considered a religious item? 

i never said that the kilt was a religious item. i said the turban was, and than i said that if there were a Muslim regiment than the Scottish people that are not Muslim would not be allowed to were a kilt if they wanted to. but if a Muslim wants to were a turban in a Scottish regiment they are allowed. my kilt means the same to me as a turban turban to a Muslim. i am not saying there is anything wrong with the turban in the military and i am not saying that they are the same thing. one is a religious item and one in a cultural item.

Stop while your ahead. Please.

Some quick points. I do not believe that the Algonquin Regt was designed with native personell in mind, it was named that simply because of the location in which it was formed/is based.

About the Chinese, I challenge you to say that 'did not play a role in defending Canada' junk to any of the Chinese Canadians who enlisted in the army during WW2. Service to your country is a very strong sentiment amongst the oriental group, very strong.

Your throwing out silly generalisations. yes it would be nice for a reg force highland unit. But disbanding the senior reg force regt would be bad, very bad for moral amongst said troops. If you want to work full time with a highland unit, join the reserves and work Class B. 

Your posts are moving farther away from proving your point and closer to offending anyone on this board who is Chinese, Sikh, not Scottish and anyone in the RCR. Bye bye.

i am not trying to offend anyone. i meant they were not part of the defence back in the early 1800's. if they were please correct me. 

i wouldn't want o see a reg force regiment disbanded. it was just i wanted to see a highland reg force regiment. it will probably never happen so no need to carry it on.

but back to the whole point of this forum. what is the class b? does that allow you to be in a highland regiment and work as a reg force soldier?  that is all i ever wanted to know from the forum.

 

[48Highlander]

i am not trying to offend anyone. i meant they were not part of the defence back in the early 1800's. if they were please correct me.

Well, since Canada didn't exist untill 1867, NOBODY was "part of the defence back in the early 1800's".  Since the only "war" back then was the war of 1812, you should know that it was fought almost entirely by British army units, defending British property.   That property didn't become Canada for another 55 years.

but back to the whole point of this forum. what is the class b? does that allow you to be in a highland regiment and work as a reg force soldier?   that is all i ever wanted to know from the forum.

Class B is a "full time contract".  As a reservist doing summer training you'd be class b.  If you could convince your unit to give you a job at the armories as a clerk or working in the QM, you'd be class B.  But there's always more reserve class a/b bums looking for contracts than there are positions, so don't count on getting the job.  If you know you want to be a full time soldier, go regs.

By the way, I'm kinda curious here, if you have such a hard-on for wearing a kilt and being in a Scottish unit, why are you a zipperhead cadet?

 

[Infanteer]

Well, since Canada didn't exist untill 1867, NOBODY was "part of the defence back in the early 1800's".   Since the only "war" back then was the war of 1812, you should know that it was fought almost entirely by British army units, defending British property.   That property didn't become Canada for another 55 years.

As well, Natives were an integral part of all of these Colonial Wars (including 1812), so I guess that counts them in.