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Uggghhh...I should have known better than post something serious in a thread not to be taken seriously. :brickwall:
History's Greatest Navy?
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The US Fleet in the bay of tokyo after japan surrendered.
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FascistLibertarian said:
That statement does not make sense at all...come on now. Are you saying only those ships that entered Tokyo Bay deserve recognition? :
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CougarDaddy said:
CD all you have to do is when these individuals decide to post something they deem near and dear to their hearts and you mock them with inane posts, then they realize maybe posting the drivel they have was not so clever.
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Ex-Dragoon said:
Ex-Dragoon,
I wasn't really complaining about being mocked; I was just saying that maybe I shouldn't have put as much effort into the above posts as I did in the one where I compared the PLAN to the IJN since this was apparently another joke thread. ;D
As for FascistLibertarian's post- on a serious note- perhaps being more specific in saying the USN's TF38 or TF58 or perhaps the whole USN Pacific Fleet would make more sense.
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Thats true. The fleet in Tokyo Bay was the largest (tonneage) and most powerful fleet assembled in one place in human history. It just came to mind because Iv read some accounts of what it looked like, but your point is well taken.
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britania ruled the waves (sail) before
ww1 and ww2
with the common-wealth nations 1st world war they ruled
ww2 they ruled
ww2 canada as a common wealth nation had the 3rd largest navy in the world
not including the rest of the commonwealth
today usa ,,,they got so much neat stuff
just my thoughts on that
scoty b
ww1 and ww2
with the common-wealth nations 1st world war they ruled
ww2 they ruled
ww2 canada as a common wealth nation had the 3rd largest navy in the world
not including the rest of the commonwealth
today usa ,,,they got so much neat stuff
just my thoughts on that
scoty b
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wildman0101 said:
At the END of WWII Canada had the 3rd largest navy in terms of number of hulls, not in terms of tonnage.
Most of our ships were escort destroyer and corvettes. 80 Of those corvettes were Flower-class, which were no more than whaling vessels prior to WWII.
I don't want to take away from the honour and courage that the sailors of the RCN served with during the Battle of the Atlantic, but just don't get confused, our navy wasn't that powerful.
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Lumber said:
Wildman is correct, it was by the end of World War 2 we had the 3rd largest navy not World War 1.
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The Royal Navy had lost the thread at the beginning of WW2
the battleship admirals could not accept the fact that the day
of the big gun warship was over.They managed to misshandle
the carrier they had to such a degree that they lost half of them
by using them as anti submarine platforms to protect battleships.
Even Churchill was infected,just consider the immense effort that
was expended on the Tirpitz long after it represented a threat.
The admirals or Churchill could just not sleep at night knowing
that this ship existed.
It took the US Navy to demonstrate the use of the aircraft carrier
and to make clear that it was the real capital ship of the future, that
finally convinced the British admirals.By then of course it was too
late for the Royal Navy economics forced them out of the game.
The irony of it is that when it came to making the carrier fit for
the new jet propelled aircraft it was 3 Brit. inventions that kept the
carrier from disappearing,the angled deck,steam catapult and
mirror landing system.
Regards
the battleship admirals could not accept the fact that the day
of the big gun warship was over.They managed to misshandle
the carrier they had to such a degree that they lost half of them
by using them as anti submarine platforms to protect battleships.
Even Churchill was infected,just consider the immense effort that
was expended on the Tirpitz long after it represented a threat.
The admirals or Churchill could just not sleep at night knowing
that this ship existed.
It took the US Navy to demonstrate the use of the aircraft carrier
and to make clear that it was the real capital ship of the future, that
finally convinced the British admirals.By then of course it was too
late for the Royal Navy economics forced them out of the game.
The irony of it is that when it came to making the carrier fit for
the new jet propelled aircraft it was 3 Brit. inventions that kept the
carrier from disappearing,the angled deck,steam catapult and
mirror landing system.
Regards
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time expired said:
You forgot the armoured flight decks of the 4-5 RN carriers of Admiral Fraser's TF57 assigned to support the USN fleet blockading Japan towards the end of WW2. The fact that HMS Illustrious and her sisters could take direct kamikaze hits on their flight decks and return to full operational status barely hours later certainly made an impression on their USN compatriots, whose fleet carriers only sported flight decks made out of teak wood up until then. IIRC, all postwar USN carrier classes from the USS Midway onwards had armoured/steel flight decks; it has been said that the current Nimitz class supercarriers can take 3 times as much damage as a WW2-era Essex class carrier.
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Cougar Daddy, What you say is correct,however this made the British
carriers somewhat top heavy and less maneuverable than the larger
Essex carriers.Another point is that British admiral had his flag on the
escorting battleship and often displayed a somewhat cavalier attitude
to the problems of the Brit.carriers.For example,refusing the carriers
permission to turn into the wind to land on late returning or damaged
aircraft,preferring to have them ditch rather than upset the course of the
fleet.American skippers were more than willing to take this risk and saved
many a Brit. crew a potentially dangerous ditching.This clearly shows
the attitude that many senior Brit. naval officers had to the emerging
capital ship of modern navies.
For a good read on the subject-They gave me a Seafire,by Commander
R."Mike"Crosley DSC.RN. Airlife publishing.
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I almost forgot ,this same Admiral chose a Battleship to sail into Tokyo
harbour to accept the surrender much to the displeasure of the naval aviators.
carriers somewhat top heavy and less maneuverable than the larger
Essex carriers.Another point is that British admiral had his flag on the
escorting battleship and often displayed a somewhat cavalier attitude
to the problems of the Brit.carriers.For example,refusing the carriers
permission to turn into the wind to land on late returning or damaged
aircraft,preferring to have them ditch rather than upset the course of the
fleet.American skippers were more than willing to take this risk and saved
many a Brit. crew a potentially dangerous ditching.This clearly shows
the attitude that many senior Brit. naval officers had to the emerging
capital ship of modern navies.
For a good read on the subject-They gave me a Seafire,by Commander
R."Mike"Crosley DSC.RN. Airlife publishing.
Regards
I almost forgot ,this same Admiral chose a Battleship to sail into Tokyo
harbour to accept the surrender much to the displeasure of the naval aviators.
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