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http://metronews.ca/news/canada/436031/harper-remembers-war-dead-in-hong-kong-2/
Harper remembers war dead in Hong Kong

By Jennifer Ditchburn
The Canadian Press

November 11, 2012

HONG KONG – Canadians should live their lives worthy of the freedom, democracy and justice they enjoy as a tribute to those who made the ultimate sacrifice defending those values, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Sunday.

Harper is marking Remembrance Day at the Saw Wan Bay military cemetery where 283 Canadian soldiers are buried on a grassy, tree-fringed hill overlooking busy Hong Kong.

“It lies within us to do this: We can walk worthy of the lives that they laid down for us,” Harper said in prepared remarks.

“They have given their lives to make possible the freedom that we enjoy, the democracy by which we govern ourselves, and the justice under which we live.”

The battle of Hong Kong was one of the most catastrophic episodes in Canadian military history. The 1,975 Canadian troops from the Winnipeg Grenadiers and the Royal Rifles of Canada were vastly outnumbered by the tens of thousands of Japanese soldiers that descended on the city in the hours after the attack on Pearl Harbour in Hawaii in December 1941.

They managed to hold off the Japanese for three weeks, with the vast majority of the brigade surrendering on Christmas Day. Nearly 300 were killed, and the rest sent to prisoner of war camps where they were subjected to sadistic torture and starvation at the hands of their captors. Another 267 died before liberation in 1945, and those who returned home bore the physical and psychological scars for a lifetime.

“It was the single greatest disaster we ever faced,” says Nathan Greenfield, author of the 2010 book about the tragedy, “The Damned.”

“By a military definition, it was a 100 per cent casualty rate because every single soldier was either killed, wounded or taken prisoner. Dieppe was a 40 per cent casualty rate…it’s the definition of disaster.”

But Greenfield says there was an important legacy to that battle. He argues the Canadian and other allied troops bloodied the Japanese enough that one of its reserve armies was unable to participate in a planned land attack on Australia.

At the POW camps, the Japanese threw the Canadians and other allied soldiers into slave labour, providing minimal food and water and torturing the prisoners. Some Canadians were beaten to death, and some went blind from malnutrition.

Harper paid tribute to Chinese-Canadian Lt.-Commander William Lore, who recently passed away at the age of 103. Lore’s family was at Sai Wan cemetery with the Canadian delegation Sunday.

Lore had been part of the platoon of marines that arrived in Hong Kong in August 1945 and liberated POWs at the Sham Shui Po Camp.

“And so concluded the story I recited here on my last visit (in 2010) of the courageous, desperate and bloody defence of Hong Kong, in which outnumbered Canadians gave their lives,” said Harper.
 
A good show of respect for our fallen.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/trudeau-honours-fallen-canadian-soldiers-at-hong-kong-war-cemetery-1.3059438
 
And a good concrete example of the consequences for soldiers of decisions made at his level by his predecessors as well that he won't gain as easily with Nov 11th services in Ottawa, however poignant.
 
At least he managed to keep his shirt on, so, y'know, progress there.
 
Colin P said:
I think it's also a move to remind China that we to paid in blood.

Not that I am trying to be disagreeable but WW2 started for the Chinese in 1937 and the lost a quarter of their land mass and almost 15% of the pre war population.  I doubt they think often of our Hong Kong sacrifice.  They tend to think of us in WW2 as we think of the WW1 Americans; "late to the party".
 
Lightguns said:
Not that I am trying to be disagreeable but WW2 started for the Chinese in 1937 and the lost a quarter of their land mass and almost 15% of the pre war population.  I doubt they think often of our Hong Kong sacrifice.  They tend to think of us in WW2 as we think of the WW1 Americans; "late to the party".

That, and we were defending British territory, not Chinese.
 
It's a nice gesture of course but the Liberal staff are savvy enough to realize if Trudeau didn't "support the troops" there would be the typical blow up over social media.

It would have been impressive if he asked not to be photographed while paying paying respects.
 
Colin P said:
I think it's also a move to remind China that we to paid in blood.

There is one Canadian that is actually considered a hero in China - Dr Norman Bethune.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Bethune

MM
 
Jarnhamar said:
It would have been impressive if he asked not to be photographed while paying paying respects.
At which point the haters would say, "hey, doesn't Selfie Boy think this is important enough to make public?"
 
So he visited a Commonwealth War Cemetery and paid his respects.  Good.  Now let's move on. 
 
medicineman said:
There is one Canadian that is actually considered a hero in China - Dr Norman Bethune.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Bethune

MM
There was quite an article on this doctor in one of the MSM - can't remember which, but it was not flattering to the good doctor.
 
Hamish Seggie said:
There was quite an article on this doctor in one of the MSM - can't remember which, but it was not flattering to the good doctor.
While he may have been a hero to the Chinese and Republicans in the Spanish Civil War in the 1930's, he likely drew a lot of fire in this part of the world as an out-in-the-open Communist in those days.
 
George Wallace said:
So he visited a Commonwealth War Cemetery and paid his respects.  Good.  Now let's move on.


Except that if he had been in HK and had not visited Sai Wan the howls of outrage would have been deafening. It was the right thing to do; it's what we expect our PMs to do; he met our expectations; that's newsworthy ... sadly.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Except that if he had been in HK and had not visited Sai Wan the howls of outrage would have been deafening. It was the right thing to do; it's what we expect our PMs to do; he met our expectations; that's newsworthy ... sadly.

Exactly. 

The media needed a story.  His "followers" and his "haters" on all sides are making/willing to make a big deal out of any event.  No matter what he had done in HK, someone would have made some sort of waves in the media.
 
milnews.ca said:
While he may have been a hero to the Chinese and Republicans in the Spanish Civil War in the 1930's, he likely drew a lot of fire in this part of the world as an out-in-the-open Communist in those days.

That would be the reason...though he was a very good doctor for his time, devising novel ways of treating TB and was big in bringing the blood transfusion into it's being...the important parts of medical history people like to ignore.

MM 
 
I watched the movie "Bethune" and thought it was actually rather good. It helps to keep the context of the time in mind though. The later half of the 1930s was something of a heyday for socialists.
 
I saw that movie when it was made too, IIRC I felt that Donald Sutherland did a good job of making Bethune to be what the Chinese believe him to be, a hero, for his actions as a Dr.  To be fair to him and the MacPaps who fought in Spain, they were different times indeed and not without some validity on behalf of those who were fighting Fascism in it's various forms.

However heroic (or not) Bethune might have been in reality, he was only human after all and we all have our flaws in the cold light of day and hindsight which is always 20/20.
 
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