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How big is the Army? How big is the CF? What about the DND civilians?

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M16 said:
100 000 CF/DND

I got the figures off of the defense site so its actual statistics.   I was kinda doubting that it's that small.
Also keep in mind, DND numbers would reflect civilian employees and not members of the CF.   Can you post a link to your source?
 
100 000 CF/DND

I got the figures off of the defense site so its actual statistics.   I was kinda doubting that it's that small.


Also keep in mind, DND numbers would reflect civilian employees and not members of the CF.   Can you post a link to your source?

These are taken right from their corresponding sites.


  The Cadet Instructors Cadre (CIC) consists of approximately 4,500 commissioned officers of the Canadian Forces whose primary duty is the safety, supervision, administration, and training of over 54,000 cadets. As members of the Canadian Reserve Force, they represent the three elements: Sea, Army and Air

http://www.vcds.forces.gc.ca/dres/pubs/components_e.asp

. How many CF members and DND employees are there? [Top]

A. The CF has about 60,000 members in the Regular Force and about 20,000 in the Primary Reserve Force. DND employs about 20,000 Public Servants.

http://www.recruiting.forces.gc.ca/engraph/faq/index_e.aspx#q17

then...wow check this out.

The United States Marine Corps (USMC) is the second-smallest of the five branches of the United States armed forces, with 170,000 active and 40,000 reserve Marines as of 2002

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps

wow...indeed.



 
With regard to the size of the Reserve Force:-

The MND has repeatedly stated that the number one raison d'etre of the Reserve Force is to provide the mobilization base for the CF. Until 1939, that meant (in the case of the Militia) a Reserve of over 100,000, and a very small Regular Force. In fact, the Militia in 1939 was the Canadian Army. I don't wish to argue specific numbers, but it is logical that if you are going to have a pool from which to draw in an emergency, the pool must be significant.

The concept of "forces in being" developed during the Cold War relegated the Reserves to the back bench (so far back that they became irrlevant). And the Reserves have never recovered.

In Boldstep 84, planners (of which I was one) accepted the fact that on Day 1, no matter what the size of the Militia, about 1/3 would be availible immediately (medical, training, etc), 1/3 would be available in 60 days, and 1/3 would not be employable (medical, discipline, marital, etc). I'm not sure how you can validate this assumption, but it seems reasonable (look at a regular formation warned for overseas duty, and how fast numbers drop).

I would argue that if the Militia were to be of a meaningful strength on general mobilization, it should be 4 to 5 times the strength of the Regular Army, and for the most part mirror it in rank and trade. Otherwise, on a mobilization, by day five there would be no mobilization pool from which to draw.

It's interesting to note, that Reserves 2000 now estimates that there are so many Militiamen on full time service, the Army is now well into stage two of mobilization. That means the well draws dry even faster.

:salute:
 
what a great post.  It all comes down to money i suppose  ???

cheers

PV
 
well that is pretty damn disapointing, but im doing my part, and joining the reserves when i turn 17, then when i do my university ill join the regs :salute:
 
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