How will USA respond to Canada's terrible NAFTA demands? (split fm CF-188 Replacement)

[Pencil Tech]

There was really no reason to renegotiate this agreement. Trump's reasons for wanting to blow it up are all in his fevered brain. Total demagoguery. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[AlexanderM]

It might or it might not.  Canada's complaint apparently has some 200 examples.  But, what is interesting is that they are listing many examples that the US is doing to China, the EU and other trading partners.  You can bet that this will be watched by those economies.  Almost as if Canada is hitting below the belt by getting those countries involved indirectly (almost representing them) and maybe setting some precedence for them to follow on with their on complaints.

Maybe it is a part of a master strategy.  Canada vs the US might be a losing fight but the World vs the US might not be...

I believe the saying goes, the only way to deal with a bully is to stand up to the bully. If we knuckle under to Trump it will never end, so if the US is going to try and bully everyone, which they are doing, then it requires a collective front which is the best way to go. Trump doesn't care about trade agreements or rulings, and I'm convinced he's willing to move the goal posts as often as he feels the need, so the only way to deal with that is have, as close to everyone as possible say, that's as far as you go.

 

[Altair]

It might or it might not.  Canada's complaint apparently has some 200 examples.  But, what is interesting is that they are listing many examples that the US is doing to China, the EU and other trading partners.  You can bet that this will be watched by those economies.  Almost as if Canada is hitting below the belt by getting those countries involved indirectly (almost representing them) and maybe setting some precedence for them to follow on with their on complaints.

Maybe it is a part of a master strategy.  Canada vs the US might be a losing fight but the World vs the US might not be...

And it might show that it is easier to deal with Canada and NAFTA than it is to fight god knows how many different countries and Canada at the WTO.

If it gets the US to cave on NAFTA it's a master stroke, but I'm convinced that Ottawa knows NAFTA is dead.

 

[jmt18325]

Boy, a WTO ruling against the US will really show them, won't it?

Aren't you just about the world's largest Trump critic? In what universe do you think he cares about that?

I doubt that (I haven't really said all that much about him), but I'm definitely not his biggest plan.

With CETA, Canada now has wide access to the European market.  That definitely gives us an alternative.  When it comes to the TPP11, it doesn't really matter how the other countries feel, but whether or not we can make a deal. 

 

[AlexanderM]

Came across this, with Trump, who knows.

https://www.axios.com/trump-softens-on-nafta-1515969352-841775cc-6a83-44a3-85b4-cb5beea01c2f.html

 

[larry Strong]

Boy, a WTO ruling against the US will really show them, won't it?

Yeah seeings how

Trade experts say while the history of the softwood-lumber wars is long and complicated, they agree that Canada has repeatedly come out on top since the 1980s.

And where are we now.........

https://globalnews.ca/news/3460660/canada-softwood-lumber-battles/


Cheers
Larry

 

[Altair]

Yeah seeings how
And where are we now.........

https://globalnews.ca/news/3460660/canada-softwood-lumber-battles/


Cheers
Larry

does it not have more weight to it  if more countries join in canadas complaint?

 

[larry Strong]

does it not have more weight to it  if more countries join in canadas complaint?

I imagine it would....it will be interesting to see what happens

However...........maybe Zoolander and his Keystonesque crew should be careful what they wish for.........

http://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/australia-new-zealand-back-trumps-fight-against-canadas-very-unfair-dairy-industry


Cheers
Larry

 

[Altair]

I imagine it would....it will be interesting to see what happens

However...........maybe Zoolander and his Keystonesque crew should be careful what they wish for.........

http://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/australia-new-zealand-back-trumps-fight-against-canadas-very-unfair-dairy-industry


Cheers
Larry

I would gladly watch the Canadian dairy cartel die if it means cheaper cheese and milk on grocery shelves.

 

[ModlrMike]

I would gladly watch the Canadian dairy cartel die if it means cheaper cheese and milk on grocery shelves.

Considering that it's centered in Quebec, not much chance of that happening... although I'm happy to be proved wrong.

 

[larry Strong]

I would gladly watch the Canadian dairy cartel die if it means cheaper cheese and milk on grocery shelves.

I agree 100% with that. Was just saying, careful what you wish for........


Cheers
Larry

 

[Cdn Blackshirt]

I agree 100% with that. Was just saying, careful what you wish for........


Cheers
Larry

That Lobby bought the Conservative Party leadership....so sadly our "supposed" free market reps are now endentured.

 

[Altair]

That Lobby bought the Conservative Party leadership....so sadly our "supposed" free market reps are now endentured.

damn,  I forgot about that.

Now I really want scheer to lose so bernier can get another crack at the leadership.

 

[AlexanderM]

This is a couple of weeks old but I hadn't seen it before and it is encouraging.

https://www.axios.com/senate-republicans-1515621750-ea2f15f1-aa6a-4a18-ae9d-43db2f4db220.html

 

[AlexanderM]

More signs there's hope.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/congressmen-usa-nafta-negotiations-montreal-1.4507172

 

[Altair]

Raising steel and aluminum tariffs citing national security reasons and is willing to lower them for a better trade deal.

Dotard really has mastered screwing over allies.

President Donald Trump said the U.S. won’t lower tariffs on steel and aluminum from Mexico and Canada unless the two countries agree to a revamped NAFTA that’s fair to the U.S.

We have large trade deficits with Mexico and Canada. NAFTA, which is under renegotiation right now, has been a bad deal for U.S.A. Massive relocation of companies & jobs. Tariffs on Steel and Aluminum will only come off if new & fair NAFTA agreement is signed. Also, Canada must..

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 5, 2018
“NAFTA, which is under renegotiation right now, has been a bad deal for U.S.A. Massive relocation of companies & jobs,” the president said in a tweet Monday. “Tariffs on Steel and Aluminum will only come off if new & fair NAFTA agreement is signed.”

Canada must treat American farmers “much better,” and Mexico must stop drugs from “pouring into the U.S.,” he added.

 

[PuckChaser]

You had a good point until you tossed in the childish name calling.

Back on topic, however, Trump has a point. We can't cry integrated economy for steel and aluminum exports while on the other hand we supply manage and subsidize dairy and other farming industries.

More and more I'm thinking if we bail on Mexico, we can sort this NAFTA negotiation out while doing a much better job protecting Canadian industries. Sometimes you have to look out for number 1.

 

[daftandbarmy]

You had a good point until you tossed in the childish name calling.

Back on topic, however, Trump has a point. We can't cry integrated economy for steel and aluminum exports while on the other hand we supply manage and subsidize dairy and other farming industries.

More and more I'm thinking if we bail on Mexico, we can sort this NAFTA negotiation out while doing a much better job protecting Canadian industries. Sometimes you have to look out for number 1.

Go East, Young Man..

The BC forest products market used to be completely reliant on the US but, since the early 2000s, has diversified almost 30% of its products eastwards, into China and elsewhere largely as a result of ongoing trouble with the US via the Softwood Lumber Agreement.

https://www.bcfii.ca/chinas-focus-green-building-opens-opportunities-bc-wood-products

 

[winnipegoo7]

Go East, Young Man..

The BC forest products market used to be completely reliant on the US but, since the early 2000s, has diversified almost 30% of its products eastwards, into China and elsewhere largely as a result of ongoing trouble with the US via the Softwood Lumber Agreement.

https://www.bcfii.ca/chinas-focus-green-building-opens-opportunities-bc-wood-products

Nice try. China is WEST of BC. You can't fool me 

 

[Rifleman62]

I believe we ship raw timber West, not lumber, thus mills are going out of business.

Anywho, if we shipped the product East, Montreal would object.