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If Canada Got Overrun, Would We Use Terrorist Tactics?

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My question is, if someone other country came into Canada, kicked the crap out of our military and took us over in 6 weeks, Do you think our former military members, law enforcement officials, or even our civilians would take up arms against them; no matter what the invaders came for?
 
Thought a statistical improbability, it could happen nonetheless! I bet the French didn‘t think the Nazi‘s would be marching around Paris when they declared war on Germany, all the rest is history.

Quoting the most recent Bond movie "One man‘s terrorist is another man‘s freedom fighter."

I think I‘d fight a geurilla war with invaders of Canada. I may be a terrible shot with a C7, but I can wear civvies and throw a grenade just as well as anyone else can.

I asked an officer at my unit what he thought about geurilla warfare, and I presented him that same hypothetical situations. In my mind, such a defence is justifiable, although he was quick to point out how that violates some articles of the Genoeva conventions.

The point to this is, are the guys killing Brits and Americans in Iraq terrorists? or are they desperate patriots, trying to defend thier country?
 
Remember Lui,the winner always writes the
history book.So depending on which side your
on,you are either a soldier or terrorist.

As for Canada being attacked,i believe that
the population would fight tooth & nail
to stay free.Lets see how good their
mountain & winter warfare is compared to
ours. :D

Aloha.
:cdn:
 
Not to be negative, and with all due respect to all those who have trained in mountain and winter warfare for years, but we have an EXTREMELY small military force compared to the size of the nation that we would be fighting for. I believe that every Canadian soldier, myself included, would take up arms, head for the hills, and try to make life **** on the invaders, similar to the Muhajadeen (sp?) did in Afghanistan to the Soviets.. But do you really think that we‘d be capable of organizing ourselves in a way that would allow us to make an impact on the enemy forces?

Given the Canada-US relationship at the moment, and with George Bush‘s recent snub to Uncle Chretien, we could be in a little trouble.. In the 80‘s the US and Iraq were buddy-buddy, now look at them. If our fearless leader were to stay on, and keep running the country for a few more years, who‘s to say that ole George won‘t declare Chretien a "tyrant," and decide that it‘s in our best interest if he invades us and "frees" Canada as well? Maybe we‘ll have a chance to try out our guerrila tactics afterall! LOL.. :D


Chimo!
 
We may be small,but we are deadly,Feral.

I did some training in the artic with the
Yanks & i was amazed that they did not
die from exposure.They may be good in desert
& jungles but suck at winter.

We would not win in a all out war,but we would
make life absolutly sh!t for anyone trying
to get rid of us.
:D :cdn:
 
Relax, these are by no means the worse point US-Canadian relations have been at the century. LBJ actually took Lestor Pearson out of the room and screamed at him for a speech Pearson gave to a US university graduation which questioned US involvment in Vietnam.
Not to mention that Kennedy and Diefenbaker wouldn‘t even talk.
 
Oh yeah, and we wouldn‘t have to worry about Mountain/Arctic warfare abilities because all the Americans would have to do is move 100km over the border and they would have almost every major metropolitan area (and 90% of our population). They wouldn‘t even have to move any further north.
 
That may be Bro,
But they would have to get passed the two
of us first. Right? :D

Grunts never surrender to the odds.
Improvise,adapt & overcome all enemys.

Cheers.
 
The United States Army has three special forces branches: Alpine. Urban. Jungle.
They have "Ice Soldiers-Masters of the Mountains".
I‘m think‘n that they would do quite well in the North, considering they are Special Forces, and trained for cold weather, blah blah blah.

US Ice Soldiers Online
 
Here‘s a great article from The Times in Britain. It‘s a little "Kiplingesque," but at least the journalists went out of their way to interview the locals.

I hope this incident doesn‘t give the British cold feet over their involvement in Iraq. The region needs their coolness and professionalism to counter the knee-jerk reactions of the Americans.

They refused to flee the mob ... duty made them stay behind the doorway to death

By Daniel McGrory in al-Majar and Michael Evans

Not a shot was fired in al-Majar during the Iraq war. Yet in peace the town saw Britain‘s deadliest encounter with the Iraqis

The bloodstains are streaked across the stone floor, the walls pockmarked with bullet holes. Every window has been shot out.
In the lavatory block of this town’s police station, four members of the Royal Military Police made their final stand on Tuesday. One apparently died in the doorway, the other three inside, after a gunfight with a mob of 300 angry townspeople.

Exactly what happened is still unclear but, by all accounts, the British soldiers who died in al-Majar-al-Kabir did so gallantly. They are said to have ordered the Iraqi civilians that they had been training as police officers to flee and to have offered to surrender but were killed anyway.

“I’m so ashamed I left them,” Salam Mohammed, one of the trainees, said yesterday.

The Britons had tried to shield the terrified trainees from the mob, he said, his body shaking. “They told us to save ourselves though they refused to run away. They were murdered in cold blood. There was no way they could escape.”

Ali al-Ateya, an Iraqi radio journalist, claims that he saw the Britons offering to surrender their weapons after two of their colleagues had already been shot dead. Ringleaders snatched the rifles and killed the soldiers.

“They shot the British in the head, several times. The executioners were standing right in front of the Britons,” he said.

An ambulanceman who helped take away the victims’ bodies confirmed that all four had been shot in the head. Two Iraqis also died.

Yesterday the Ministry of Defence was struggling to answer even the most basic questions about the deaths of the six men.

There was complete confusion, British commanders in southern Iraq admitted, and with troops and investigators staying out of the town for fear of exacerbating tensions, there seems little chance of them finding answers quickly.

Local Iraqis said the British “occupiers” had inflamed feelings over the weekend with heavy-handed weapons searches — which the Army denied.

British commanders in southern Iraq said the six soldiers arrived unannounced in the town on Tuesday morning. They were caught up in an angry crowd and shots were fired. Two RMPs were killed, along with possibly four Iraqis. The crowd then advanced on the police station where four other RMPs had taken refuge.

It is unclear if the officers were unable to summon help or why it failed to arrive.

Defence sources now believe that a patrol of British paratroopers was ambushed close to the town just after, not before, the killings. A Chinook helicopter that came to their rescue was also fired on, and eight soldiers injured.

The paratroopers knew nothing of the killings but British commanders assume Iraqi gunmen opened fire because they feared the British were seeking revenge.

It was also unclear whether the attacks were spontaneous, or whipped up by Saddam loyalists. “We know that some Baath Party loyalists and Fedayin have been hiding in this area,” the local police chief, Mohammed Abdel Hassan, said. “But I don’t know if any of them were in the mob.”

The RMP team had come to discuss uniforms for the trainees. They wanted local people to recognise the new police officers, who had been patrolling in civilian clothes.

Mr Mohammed said that when the mob arrived at the station, two of the British soldiers immediately climbed on to the flat roof of the mud-brick station house and tried to reason with the crowd shaking the flimsy iron gates. The mob forced its way into the station precinct which is built around an open courtyard.

He recalled one of the Britons radioing for help and said that, even then, there was no obvious panic by the RMPs although they could see some of the crowd waving rifles.

Mr Mohammed is not sure who fired the first shot, or why. All he knows is that at least four shots rang out.

The Britons shouted for the trainees to run for cover while they inched their way backwards to the lavatory block.They formed a barricade from a metal filing cabinet and an oil drum. One edged around the corner of the room and was shot in the forehead from 10ft away. As he died, the crowd fell silent, giving the Iraqi trainees a chance to run across the open corridor to an office with a window big enough for a man to squeeze through.

“I turned and shouted for the British to come too,” Mr Mohammed said. “I pleaded with them ‘Save yourselves’. One called out that it was their duty to stay. One smiled and wished me luck.”

Nobody can be sure who fired the first fatal shot, or why. But Mr Mohammed said it was clear that the mob knew they had the British at their mercy. He was too ashamed and scared to translate the insults hurled at the RMPs and his fellow police officers for “collaborating with occupiers”.

Not a shot was fired in anger in al-Majar during the war, and its police station was not ransacked. But yesterday, as the British soldiers lay dead at their feet, the mob tore into the offices, tipping documents on to the floor and burning them. The bonfires were still burning 24 hours later.

“We will never erase what happened here,” Mr Hassan said. “This is a place of shame for al-Majar.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-725965,00.html
Let‘s hope their deaths will not be in vain.
 
Soldiars fight there hardes and bravest when defending there homeland, That 6 weeks, would be more like 6 months, they would have a lot of land to cover. :cdn: :flame: :mg: :sniper: :cam: :cdn:
 
And less not forget, Japan and there kamaki‘s in WW2, If canada was to be invaded by the USA agressivly (just saying) I would fly a plane stuffed with explosives into a group of tanks.

DONT **** WIT ME HOMELAND
GO CANADA GO :cdn: :tank:
 
I‘m positive we‘d do a better job of defending Canada than the Iraqi‘s did defending Iraq. Though the US troops vastly outclassed the Iraqi‘s on the battle field, it was the inability of the Iraqi‘s to maintain control over its forces that lead to it‘s quick and easy defeat.

*trade rant* In our military, we have a very sophisticated command and control system designed to ensure information on the battle field can keep flowing. That‘s why I think my trade kicks so much *** . We‘re a force augmenter. Having a well run, secure radio network multiplies the effectivness of any body of troops on the ground. Loosing a 3 man radio det means every unit that that det provides support for is lost. It‘d be like in We Were Soldiers, when they lost communications with 1 Platoon (they‘re radio operator got sniped in the head), the entire platoon was considered lost.

Following the war in Iraq, it was obvious that most of the sweeping US victories were on account of the Iraqi‘s commanders having no knowledge or control over what was going on, since thier communication network was paralyzed.
 
I‘m positive we‘d do a better job of defending Canada than the Iraqi‘s did defending Iraq. Though the US troops vastly outclassed the Iraqi‘s on the battle field, it was the inability of the Iraqi‘s to maintain control over its forces that lead to it‘s quick and easy defeat.
While Canada‘s immense size may be our best defensive feature, as Infanteer put it earlier, having 90% of the population within 100 km of the border pretty much negates this advantage (in the highly improbable event of a war with the US). Unlike Russia in 1941, we don‘t have any land to "give away" while we fall back on the fifth or sixth line of defences.

And Feral‘s right too. While our army is superbly trained, it‘s tiny compared to any potential invading force. Considering that any invader would almost immediately establish air superiority, how long do you think our lines of communication would stay open? Not too bloody long! What good are "force augmenter" Sig Ops if they can‘t talk to anybody?

Following the war in Iraq, it was obvious that most of the sweeping US victories were on account of the Iraqi‘s commanders having no knowledge or control over what was going on, since thier communication network was paralyzed.
It‘d be like "Red Dawn," that horrible Patrick Swayze flick from the mid-80s. And we all know how realistic that movie was.

This is a silly thread. Canada hasn‘t been invaded for almost 200 years, and considering who lives next door, we‘ll probably be safe for another 200.

So far as I can see, the only invaders likely to be storming Parliament will be little grey guys in flying saucers. . . . And then all bets are off!

:evil:
 
Considering that any invader would almost immediately establish air superiority, how long do you think our lines of communication would stay open?
We could keep comms up for a longer period of time than the Iraqi‘s did. Canada‘s littered with civilian sites that output a tremendous amount of RF radiation. Hide an LS in the woods by a cell phone tower, transmit on low power, observe proper VP, the enemy would have a **** of hard time finding where you are.

*another shameless shill about signals*
Though I rarely get to touch most of the cool stuff (since there‘s so little of it going around), it is still there, and it‘s funny how few Canadians know about it. If they knew how advanced our signals corps was, most people would probably think differantly about the CF as a whole.
We have the capability to coordinate a battle in Alberta from half way around the globe in real time.
We have the ability to use tactical, short ranged communications to communicate hundreds of kilometres.
We can create remote broadcasting stations that can accomidate multiple radio nets, essentially concealing the location of all but the broadcasting station.
We have the ability to transmit electronic data across the battle field through fibre optic cable... that‘s impressive, since that‘s the way the world is going... but what‘s more impressive is how we can transmit the same data over our radios;
We have incredibly sophisticated encryption mechanisms, though that‘s a whole comsec thing I can‘t really get into.
We were the first nation to have fully integrated, digital control network for our military;

Our system is so advanced, the Americans, Brits, and most European nations are modelling thier communication and control systems around ours. Due to budget contraints, they probably soon will, if they havn‘t already, surpass us (especially the Yanks). But still, the entire system is very, very impressive.
 
We would need radios that work. Propper equipment for them and a bunch of other things. I was on a comms course that had no lap top in which to program the radios, no j-box‘s for the 521s. No cables. Nothing. Try getting radio parts repaird. I heard its around a year turn around for 522 to get fixed
 
We live in an age where ground battles no longer decide the outcome of the war. The Iraq war is a very poor analogy for the hypothetical USA vs Canada scenario. USA has the nuclear capability to wipe of 99.9% of the Canadian populace. If there ever will be a war between us, nuclear (and even more powerful) weaponry WILL be used. Canada is not a 3rd-world country like Iraq. IMHO, it has one of the most impressive armies in the world, when speaking about quality and not quantity. Go back to World War II. USA used nuclear weapons not because it could but because any alternate method would ultimately result in defeat. Even if they did somehow takeover Japan (much smaller than the area 90% of us, Canadians, live in), the death toll would‘ve been in such large numbers it would still be considered a "defeat". With its army crippled after the "victory" - any other major power would gain an opportunity to successfuly invade US territories. I doubt the USSR would miss out.

Also, Canada has many allies, and where invasion of Iraq might have been overlooked by UN, an invasion of a G8 nation is a totally different matter. World War III - most likely nothing worth anything would survive. As was already mentioned, the scenario is highly unlikely unless the majority of US government has gone completely insane (medically speaking =P). IMHO though, soldier for soldier, Canada WOULD win. As for civilian defence - while you and me would take up the arms against any invaders, not everyone is as patriotic.
 
lol...I hardly think nuclear weapons would be used in an attack on Canada considering that the majority of the population lives in close proximity to the US border....using nukes would be genocide...
 
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