If it is written, then it's true. Toronto Star says new attack helicopters.

[DaveTee]

Please dear God let us get Apaches...I'd pay the Canadian Forces to let me fly those! ;D

 

[geo]

well, now that the Chinook order has been pencilled into Boeing's order book, it is nice that someone is at last realising that having flying busses moving troops around, some protection would be a good thing.

There are a number of good candidates to chose from..... chose wisely BUT, please, choose quickly.

I would hate to lose a Chinook because of a tardy deliveries

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Guys come on this is already discussed along with opinions on what we should and should not get. Locked! Now Merged!

Milnet.Ca Staff

 

[aesop081]

Please dear God let us get Apaches...I'd pay the Canadian Forces to let me fly those! ;D

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Yes the apache, it is the be-all, end-all of AHs.  Its not expensive to buy or operate.  Doesnt require alot of maintenance.........

 

[HItorMiss]

I thought we had all pretty much agreed that bang for you buck best cost vs reward chopper was the AH-1 Super Cobra but then again I have no practical idea on criteria. I had just thought that with the 20mm and the ability to carry about the same payload as the AH-64 minus the cost. With the folding rotors for possible naval use it seems to be the best idea to me.

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

In the article it mentioned a possibility of arming Griffons to do the job. I'm confused....our SMEs here have told us that the Chinooks are not a good helicopter to operate in Afghanistan because of altitude and some other reasons.....why would we consider doing that if they can't support us in A'stan? ???

 

[geo]

In the article it mentioned a possibility of arming Griffons to do the job. I'm confused....our SMEs here have told us that the Chinooks are not a good helicopter to operate in Afghanistan because of altitude and some other reasons.....why would we consider doing that if they can't support us in A'stan? ???

If the Chinooks aren't any good in Afghanistan..... why would the US, UK and the Dutch be using em in that very place.  Methinks your SME might be dealing with dated info - older models with lesser capabilities.

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

If the Chinooks aren't any good in Afghanistan..... why would the US, UK and the Dutch be using em in that very place.  Methinks your SME might be dealing with dated info - older models with lesser capabilities.

Sorry I meant to say Griffons......If the Griffons are no good in A/Stan why bother to re-configure them?

 

[Sig_Des]

Sorry I meant to say Griffons......If the Griffons are no good in A/Stan why bother to re-configure them?

I think that's where this part of the article comes in:

“Without investment in power and performance enhancements, the Griffon’s potential in the aerial firepower role is severely limited,” the report states.

 

[3rd Herd]

LGen Steve Lucas "suggested" in Calgary in March that buying heavy lift helicopters would require that they be escorted by attack helicopters. He then went on to solicite opinions on the AH in attemting to deflect questions on other matters. ;D

 

[Strike]

Sorry I meant to say Griffons......If the Griffons are no good in A/Stan why bother to re-configure them?

Now that is a whole other can of worms.  Don't believe everything you read.  There is much more involved in sending the Griffon to Afghanistan than the falacy that they can't fly there.  It might be an issue in the higher altitudes...

 

[Bomber]

CFD Mountain view still lists there being some Kiowa's in storage
http://antonakis.ca/12102005.php#9

Maybe with the mini gun and some new missiles?  They are stored indoors....

 

[Rick Ruter]

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Yes the Apache, it is the be-all, end-all of AHs.  Its not expensive to buy or operate.  Doesnt require alot of maintenance.........

I had a friend on exchange flying the Apache when I was in Bosnia in 99 and he came to visit in VK. He was supposed to lead a 4-ship and two crapped-out on start. He told me that serviceability was a big problem with the AH-64s. Cobras had a better serviceable rate.

 

[aesop081]

I had a friend on exchange flying the Apache when I was in Bosnia in 99 and he came to visit in VK. He was supposed to lead a 4-ship and two crapped-out on start. He told me that serviceability was a big problem with the AH-64s. Cobras had a better serviceable rate.

Did you miss the sarcasm in my post ?

 

[Rick Ruter]

I knew what you meant. I just confirmed it with an example.

I had to do a SC for Gen Dumais when he was Comd 1 Cdn Air Div for 146 in AFG and it wasn't pretty. Around Kabul wasn't even an option because of altitude, temps and the threat lvl. Down south we might be able to fly more than 30mins but can you imagine how many HLS you'd need for fuel. May has well drive...

 

[Rick Ruter]

CFD Mountain view still lists there being some Kiowa's in storage
http://antonakis.ca/12102005.php#9

Maybe with the mini gun and some new missiles?  They are stored indoors....

I flew in there in 2001 looking for a CF104 for a pedestal. The Kiowas had moss and mildew growing all over them. They'd been quarantined by the RCMP cauze the guy who bought them was trying to sell them to Iran or Iraq as ''crop dusters''.

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

I flew in there in 2001 looking for a CF104 for a pedestal. The Kiowas had moss and mildew growing all over them. They'd been quarantined by the RCMP cauze the guy who bought them was trying to sell them to Iran or Iraq as ''crop dusters''.

Even in 1990 when 427 was flying them they could barely handle four people onboard with no heavy kit.....how could these effectively carry the ammo and weapons needed to protect a Chinnook on the battlefield?

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Maybe look into the Kiowa Warrior variant?

 

[GK .Dundas]

Maybe look into the Kiowa Warrior variant?

I've been touting these birds to anyone who would listen (perhaps too much because I've been told to shut up an occasion usually by my domestic niner " please dear not during dinner !" etc)
They have a lot to offer amongst other things a gunship you can get past the media by passing them off as a scout helos as opposed to those nasty evil gunship thingies.  ;D
My one concern would be speed can they keep up with CH 47's I can't recall the speed differces and in whose favor.

 

[Rick Ruter]

CH-47's gotta be faster than the 90kts of the Kiowa. Maybe the Warrior has an extra 10-20kts but it still should be slower than the Chinook. If Griffon has 140Kts max speed, Chinook must be close.