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Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

It is starting to look like the MFOM is platform independent. The actual constant is the launch pod.

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Oshkosh has now added it to its NMESIS ROGUE Fires autonomous JLTVs for the USMC.

The means that the JLTV can now launch Hero-120 Loitering Munitions, NSM/JSM missiles and everything that can be, or will be, packed in an MRLS pod. 6 of the original 227 mm rockets, 1 of the ATACMS, 2 of the PrSM family, including the LBASM and, prospectively 30 modernized long range 120 mm rockets, with and with out precision guidance kits.

The same vehicle can also launch a Tomahawk missile, which also exists in anti-ship form, out to a range of over 1600 km and is available today. From our neighbour. If they choose to sell it to us.

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Oshkosh Defense equips ROGUE-Fires autonomous vehicle with HIMARS munitions for long-range strike capability

Oshkosh Defense equips ROGUE-Fires autonomous vehicle with HIMARS rockets for long-range strike capability
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USMC Systems Command Provides Details on Long-Range Missile Battery - Naval News

USMC Systems Command shares more details and information on their Long-Range Missile Battery mounted on an unmanned JLTV 4x4 truck.
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What is the Maritime Strike Tomahawk cruise missile?

The Maritime Strike Tomahawk is designed to provide a naval anti-surface warfare capability to the long-serving land-attack cruise missile.
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Marines Pick Loitering Munition To Arm Light Vehicles And Drone Boats

So-called "suicide drones" will give Marine units a new option for finding threats and engaging them precisely on land and at sea.
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So the RRCA could opt to mount their equipment on the MSVS family or possibly even the Zetros 4x4 of the LVM-L family. Or even on the back of a Ford F550.
 
Here is the revised over lay with 6 HIMARS replaced by 8 JLTVs - 6 with 1000 km PrSMs in the Pods and 2 with 1600 km Tomahawk Maritime Strike variants.

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I doubt if you can get a less expensive method of covering that passage with fires. When and if.
 
Kirkhill said:
So the RRCA could opt to mount their equipment on the MSVS family or possibly even the Zetros 4x4 of the LVM-L family. Or even on the back of a Ford F550.
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The possibilities, quite frankly, are endless. What is needed is a joining of a political will and military will to make it happen.

At the level of our army I'm an advocate for a loitering munitions general support battery in every close support regiment which combines STA, launcher systems and a coordination/controller capability using weapon systems that complement a brigade's fire needs. Something like the Marines JTLV with Hero 120 is what I picture in my mind. I don't see the Zetros 4 x 4 as I see something smaller and more "tactical." I'm having trouble finding technical details on the Zetros 4 x 4 but what I have found seems to indicate its twice the truck that the JTLV is and I think that's too big and heavy for the role. I know the RCA is working on a loitering munitions solution but I don't think that my vision is necessarily theirs because I do not see the call for those specialised batteries . . . yet.

OTOH, there is a clear call (for some five decades now) for something in the order of a divisional-level general support HIMARS regiment. I don't let the term "regiment" fool me into thinking that it will necessarily be part of a Canadian division or that we will deploy it as a full regiment (although I think we could and should be able to) but I can see a rotational battery assigned to Europe while other batteries could be rotationally assigned numerous roles including coastal defence. It all depends on the vision and the ammunition which Canada elects to acquire either now or in the future. Personally I think that land based, ship based and air launched systems are complimentary and proper defence planning should incorporate all of the options.

As to more strategic systems - well I'll wait to see if the tactical ones make an appearance in the gun sheds before wondering about strategic ones. If strategic systems start appearing in the Navy or Air Force - then maybe a land-launched solution for the same missile could/should be included. I think we should be turning our attention to higher levels of air defence before that.

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I'm thinking it is more about commonality of launch solutions. If the RRCA decides on the MFOM Pods and the Mk70 PDS as baseline launch mechanisms then it can choose its munitions at leisure. The PDS could even be bought as a SAM launcher (SM6 and ESSM) and made useful in other roles just as the MFOM could be bought for tactical purposes and then applied to coastal defence and strategic roles....etc

Endless.

Priority 1. Get the launchers in the system.
 
You can build the infrastructure to support them in the north, so they can be flown in. Hire the locals to guard and care for the physical spaces. You can build several more locations than you have launchers, but they will need an airfield to fly them in.

As I see it you need a hanger, apron, road, accommodation, power, sewage and fencing. Each base has 2-3 launch pads with surveyed points and access roads. Add some extra buildings for the Rangers to use and any visiting unit.
 
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They have the current NWS (North Warning System) being operated by ATCO and Northern partnerships. I wonder if we can add containerized missiles to the list of equipment.
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I can't help but think that there are enough Northerners that are interested in a full-time job and capable of operating the systems with the appropriate training and supervision. If its stretching the RegF psyche too much to leave people in their home community rather than posting them hither and yon, then make them Class B or C reservists.
 
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I can't help but think that there are enough Northerners that are interested in a full-time job and capable of operating the systems with the appropriate training and supervision. If its stretching the RegF psyche too much to leave people in their home community rather than posting them hither and yon, then make them Class B or C reservists.
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The problem with that is the same problem as we have in remote/rural southern Canada.... The people with the skills/apptitude for that sort of work tend to want to move to the big cities for more opportunities, and better QoL.
 
Kirkhill said:
Here is the revised over lay with 6 HIMARS replaced by 8 JLTVs - 6 with 1000 km PrSMs in the Pods and 2 with 1600 km Tomahawk Maritime Strike variants.

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I doubt if you can get a less expensive method of covering that passage with fires. When and if.
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If are so inclinded I would request that you add the 500km range of Hanwoo 4-4's (sub launched). Put those circles at the entrances of the NWP. Make them yellow. Just so we can see. Thanks!

I'm not seeing fixed emplacements or land launched system being a northern priority ATT.

If there is a problem in the arctic the airforce and navy will be handling it first. Instead of focusing on land systems (yes I know IDFM thread) we should be looking to air launched Naval Strike Missiles (NSM), Long Range Anti Ship Missils (LRASM) and platforms that can carry and launch these. Those should be the main priority for continental defence aside from sensors and BMD.

Now of course land systems provide a valuable asset should that be needed but we aren't getting HIMARS for its ability to deploy to the arctic. We're getting it for its ability for deep strikes against enemy infrastructure, formations, C2 nodes etc... to enable our brigades success.
 
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Patria NEMO (120mm mortar system) was placed onto LAV's for Saudi Arabia. Did GDLS London do that work or was it done somewhere else? That might go to 100 vehicles of the 400 that GDLS need to keep the "line open" for four years.
 
More likely they would simply use the existing M1129 design.
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The Mjölner CV-90 mortar carrier seems like an excellent design. Breech loading under armour.
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FJAG said:
I can't help but think that there are enough Northerners that are interested in a full-time job and capable of operating the systems with the appropriate training and supervision. If its stretching the RegF psyche too much to leave people in their home community rather than posting them hither and yon, then make them Class B or C reservists.
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Indeed, if they want to be an armed service and the community wants to be on a target list. My comment wasn't aimed at the quality or capability of the Rangers or northern residents; it was a comment similar to making the CCG an armed service by waving one's policy hand.

If they can establish and maintain a Reserve Artillery entity in a community of less than 200 (Resolute Bay), go for it.
 
We only ordered 41 ACSV Troop/Cargo vehicles, 44 combat engineer vehicles, 18 engineer vehicles, and 54 maintenance and recovery vehicles, which seem rather low. We could easily increase those numbers to make up the production shortfall.
 
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