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Iran Super Thread- Merged

You forgot Uncle Muammar - whacky Ghadaffi.

The Ceucescus from Romania - who ended up against a wall on or about Christmas Day 1989
I realized I'd forgotten about them after it was too late to edit the post.
Traditionally, the Jolly Roger indicates a successful patrol, and accomplishments are indicated by stripes or other symbols being sewn on.
 
Late night statement released by the EU, Canada, and Australia. Calling on the regime, particularly IRGC and Basij, to stop the killings and arbitrary use of force. It must be really brewing up to merit a multinational comment at this hour- later still in Europe.

that and a dollar will buy a coffee at McDonalds. Ottawa can sleep peacefully knowing that they have defended the rights of the Iranian citizens.:coffee:
 
Realistically there is not much we can do to influence things there.
Late night statement released by the EU, Canada, and Australia. Calling on the regime, particularly IRGC and Basij, to stop the killings and arbitrary use of force. It must be really brewing up to merit a multinational comment at this hour- later still in Europe.

This is probably the best we can do.
 
Don't make me warn you again...

Violent crackdown in Iran as Trump warns regime 'we'll start shooting' if more protesters are killed​



Protesters ignored threats of severe punishment from Iran’s leaders and warnings from rights groups about undocumented killings as they poured out onto the streets of cities across the country late Friday.

The fresh protests came as President Donald Trump again warned the Islamic regime that he would intervene if demonstrators were killed. “I tell the Iranian leaders — you better not start shooting because we’ll start shooting, too,” he said at a meeting with oil executives.

Iran's Prosecutor General Mohammad Movahedi Azad said on Saturday that protesters would be considered an “enemy of God,” a death-penalty charge in Iran, in remarks reported by Iran’s semi-official Tasnim news agency.

 
Don't make me warn you again...

Violent crackdown in Iran as Trump warns regime 'we'll start shooting' if more protesters are killed​



Protesters ignored threats of severe punishment from Iran’s leaders and warnings from rights groups about undocumented killings as they poured out onto the streets of cities across the country late Friday.

The fresh protests came as President Donald Trump again warned the Islamic regime that he would intervene if demonstrators were killed. “I tell the Iranian leaders — you better not start shooting because we’ll start shooting, too,” he said at a meeting with oil executives.

Iran's Prosecutor General Mohammad Movahedi Azad said on Saturday that protesters would be considered an “enemy of God,” a death-penalty charge in Iran, in remarks reported by Iran’s semi-official Tasnim news agency.

I don't know that US threats can have any impact on the situation as the rioters present an existential threat to the regime. If they don't put the uprising down they lose power whether the US intervenes or not.
 
I don't know that US threats can have any impact on the situation as the rioters present an existential threat to the regime. If they don't put the uprising down they lose power whether the US intervenes or not.
True but its the IRGC and religious police cracking down violently. It stands to reason if the IRGC was struck, and weakened, the chance of a revolt working increases.
 
True but its the IRGC and religious police cracking down violently. It stands to reason if the IRGC was struck, and weakened, the chance of a revolt working increases.
I could see Israel and the U.S. going ‘shock and awe’ on IRGC and Basij C2. They would articulate it as giving Iranians the opportunity to determine their own path without being violently repressed. It would also probably be necessary anyway to enable U.S. and maybe Israeli boots on the ground to exploit and dismantle Iran’s nuclear sites.
 
It behooves the West to support these protests. If the Islamic regime falls and a coherent government organically forms, it will reshape the ME for generations and for the better. It would reduce conflict in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, WB and Yemen.

I think the US and Israel can target concentrations of IRGC personal, command and control nodes and possibly push some small arms and communication gear across the border of Iraq. Then some coherent public support by western governments for the Shah transitional government with proposal to walk back sanctions. Support to immediately fix critical public infrastructure (Like water). Security guarantees. Banking reforms to speed up diaspora investment in the country, along with loans to acquire needed equipment. Also creating a watchlist of ex-IRGC personal to know who not to let out of the country, but also allow the free passage of peoples.
 
It behooves the West to support these protests. If the Islamic regime falls and a coherent government organically forms, it will reshape the ME for generations and for the better. It would reduce conflict in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, WB and Yemen.

I think the US and Israel can target concentrations of IRGC personal, command and control nodes and possibly push some small arms and communication gear across the border of Iraq. Then some coherent public support by western governments for the Shah transitional government with proposal to walk back sanctions. Support to immediately fix critical public infrastructure (Like water). Security guarantees. Banking reforms to speed up diaspora investment in the country, along with loans to acquire needed equipment. Also creating a watchlist of ex-IRGC personal to know who not to let out of the country, but also allow the free passage of peoples.
Actually I think the best targets, is find whats jamming starlink, and what facility has shut down the internet etc
 
Actually I think the best targets, is find whats jamming starlink, and what facility has shut down the internet etc
In the days of yore when a revolt happened or a counter revolt was the TV and radio stations were taken and held and used by whoever took them. I would reckon this is the 21st century equivalent of that.

Find it and unjam it.

Now back to the chapter on Croatia and Medak.
 
In the days of yore when a revolt happened or a counter revolt was the TV and radio stations were taken and held and used by whoever took them. I would reckon this is the 21st century equivalent of that.

Find it and unjam it.

Now back to the chapter on Croatia and Medak.
Pretty much, enabling communication and coordination of the opposition
 
What would you prefer? HMCS Ottawa lobbing missiles into Iran?
What would you prefer? HMCS Ottawa lobbing missiles into Iran?
If you aren't prepared to do that, the preference would be to SHUT UP. The same as I said regarding Trump upstream. If you aren't prepared to support your words of encouragement with action than don't encourage people to fight against their government. You will only get them killed for no reason at all. And I don't think HMCS Ottawa is capable of lobbing missiles into Iran nor do I think that the other signatories to that release are willing to do anything to support the uprising. They are simply catering to their constituents feelings:sick:
 
A reminder of the backdrop to this revolt.

The prospect of Tehran being evacuated due to lack of water. And in that region that is not seen as unlikely. Archaeologists have field days in the region excavating dust covered cities that have been abandoned over the millenia for that very reason.


How afraid are you if you are running out of water?
What incentive does a security guard have to defend the boss if the boss is deserting for greener pastures and leaving him behind with his family and angry, thirsty neighbours?

The value of money is falling.
The price of bread is rising.
And you are dirty and thirsty.

And the boss is saying pray.
 
So this would be “Western Hemisphere,” as in everything 360° West of the Prime Meridian…
 
If you aren't prepared to do that, the preference would be to SHUT UP. The same as I said regarding Trump upstream. If you aren't prepared to support your words of encouragement with action than don't encourage people to fight against their government. You will only get them killed for no reason at all. And I don't think HMCS Ottawa is capable of lobbing missiles into Iran nor do I think that the other signatories to that release are willing to do anything to support the uprising. They are simply catering to their constituents feelings:sick:
One point of words of encouragement is to make it harder to offer words of discouragement (ie. its partly for consumption of domestic audiences). I can guess that some of the same people who aligned with Hamas pretty quickly (almost within minutes of the news breaking) after 07 Oct might have reasons for aligning with the mullahs (the enemy of my enemy is my friend...). It helps to mute them. This particular case might be different; the anti-Israel/Jewish nexus is less pronounced.

Your advice is sound. Iraq, 1991.
 
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