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Iran Super Thread- Merged

High score on the "mass mobilization and protest" vector of the "Next Colour Revolution" sweepstakes.

Still no visible split in the highest-end leadership, or word of mass "sorry, can't do that" from military/police/militia units - yet.

Also, not toooooooooooo much public indication of "the usual suspect countries/outside groups" pulling support or starting to talk about "transition" in public yet.

Stay tuned!

.... Trump says US considering ‘very strong options’ for Iran

US president says Washington is closely monitoring protests in Iran and considering possible military intervention.

Remember this crazy little caper last summer from ISR & Co.? Wonder how much that would free up opposition folks to oppose more kinetically?
 
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Either the U.S. isn’t ready to go yet and needs to kick the can down the road a while longer, or they’re going to hit hard, fast, and imminently and this is a smoke screen.
 
High score on the "mass mobilization and protest" vector of the "Next Colour Revolution" sweepstakes.

Still no visible split in the highest-end leadership, or word of mass "sorry, can't do that" from military/police/militia units - yet.

Also, not toooooooooooo much public indication of "the usual suspect countries/outside groups" pulling support or starting to talk about "transition" in public yet.

Stay tuned!


Remember this crazy little caper last summer from ISR & Co.? Wonder how much that would free up opposition folks to oppose more kinetically?
Maybe, possibility of a much wider defection than they are letting on.

 
Thinking further, and not sure if I’ve said this here yet- the U.S. won’t take actions to trigger regime change til they’re ready to. I strongly believe that would include them putting forces on the grounds to the extent necessary to secure any nuclear materials and exploit/destroy the technical sites. That will probably be a pretty significant endeavour. I don’t have a good finger on the pulse of what’s in theatre but there will probably be some obvious telegraphing. Getting that force in to various locations is one thing, and then sustaining it is another. And then there’s pulling out everything that needs to come out at the end. I won’t be surprised if we see lots of talk but not much action for a little while yet- or alternatively, action calibrated to send a message but not yet collapse the regime. A threshold nuclear state descended into anarchy is bad news bears.

If the US does take action, for the reasons you mention, unless it's a symbolic action (Perhaps a another long-range bombing mission on some select targets) it may be a serious departure from the limited high-precision type missions we've seen from the Trump administration so far.

As you say, this could be a significant endeavour. Much more significant than anything the Trump administration has overseen. This is way more than dropping some bunker busters on a mountain complex, blowing up some boats, or doing a raid.

I'm not sure exactly how involved something like this could be, but if it involves significant groups going on the ground with sustainment, that could turn to be extremely risky politically, even if deemed necessary by experts for the safe disarmament of whatever nuclear capabilities Iran may have. I mean, who knows what kind of hornets nest some of these sites might be, or who might try to get involved once on the ground.

My impression has been that Trump likes fast limited scale missions he can present to the public as a quick win. He also likes "making a deal" which he seems to suggest might be possible with Iran.

In many cases, the US military can absolutely deliver those quick wins in the right conditions.

What would happen under the current leadership in a much larger military operation, including the political impacts with his base, is sort of unchartered territory. Would they want to risk a major operation on relatively short notice with a real chance of things getting at least somewhat ugly?

I don't think I have any guesses on how this would go down if it happens. I mean, we may never know as this protest could end with the regime still in place. Based on previous military action under Trump, perhaps a good guess would be a quick mission / somewhat limited action he can claim as a success to the American public almost immediately after it happens without too much regard for the long-term after effects, but is that sort of strategy going to be possible this time? Is this "too big" of a job for something like that if he does do something?
 
If the US does take action, for the reasons you mention, unless it's a symbolic action (Perhaps a another long-range bombing mission on some select targets) it may be a serious departure from the limited high-precision type missions we've seen from the Trump administration so far.

As you say, this could be a significant endeavour. Much more significant than anything the Trump administration has overseen. This is way more than dropping some bunker busters on a mountain complex, blowing up some boats, or doing a raid.

I'm not sure exactly how involved something like this could be, but if it involves significant groups going on the ground with sustainment, that could turn to be extremely risky politically, even if deemed necessary by experts for the safe disarmament of whatever nuclear capabilities Iran may have. I mean, who knows what kind of hornets nest some of these sites might be, or who might try to get involved once on the ground.

My impression has been that Trump likes fast limited scale missions he can present to the public as a quick win. He also likes "making a deal" which he seems to suggest might be possible with Iran.

In many cases, the US military can absolutely deliver those quick wins in the right conditions.

What would happen under the current leadership in a much larger military operation, including the political impacts with his base, is sort of unchartered territory. Would they want to risk a major operation on relatively short notice with a real chance of things getting at least somewhat ugly?

I don't think I have any guesses on how this would go down if it happens. I mean, we may never know as this protest could end with the regime still in place. Based on previous military action under Trump, perhaps a good guess would be a quick mission / somewhat limited action he can claim as a success to the American public almost immediately after it happens without too much regard for the long-term after effects, but is that sort of strategy going to be possible this time? Is this "too big" of a job for something like that if he does do something?
I could be completely missing my guess; maybe they’re satisfied the nuke program was sufficiently destroyed that they wouldn’t need to physically take those places. If that’s the case and they feel comfortable taking down the regime without boots on the ground to secure those, then things could be much more limited and quick.
 
There's a lot of mixed messaging.

First Trump was saying "If they start shooting protestors, we start shooting"

A few days later and hundreds of protesters have already been killed / shot. No action.

Now, there's a new message from the Trump administration that Iran "wants to negotiate" while they continue to kill protestors. Negotiating to me suggests they're open to the regime staying in place.

Is this hesitation to put actions behind the initial messaging? Or maybe they just don't have a good plan in place on what to do?

The MAGA types have been pumping up the "FAFO" phrase. Iran is doing a lot of the FA part, so far we haven't seen a strong follow up with the FO part.

Considering the blatant disregard for Trumps demands to stop killing protestors, I'm not seeing them really showing much respect for him so far coming from Iran at all...
 
There's a lot of mixed messaging.

First Trump was saying "If they start shooting protestors, we start shooting"

A few days later and hundreds of protesters have already been killed / shot. No action.

Now, there's a new message from the Trump administration that Iran "wants to negotiate" while they continue to kill protestors. Negotiating to me suggests they're open to the regime staying in place.

Is this hesitation to put actions behind the initial messaging? Or maybe they just don't have a good plan in place on what to do?

The MAGA types have been pumping up the "FAFO" phrase. Iran is doing a lot of the FA part, so far we haven't seen a strong follow up with the FO part.

Considering the blatant disregard for Trumps demands to stop killing protestors, I'm not seeing them really showing much respect for him so far coming from Iran at all...
Sounds more like the Putin/Trump show.
 
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