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I would love to see a graph of total missile and drone attacks by day as a MOP on reducing the air defence threat. It's critical to reduce the attacks to maintain their coalition. Haven't been able to find a single summary graphic.

That maps the effort.

I want to map the effect.
 
Kind of concerning if this is in anyway true.

Other outlets running with this from that source ....
I'm sure the new mandate for military chaplains will help add some context, right?
 
The Shah moved to the US in his teens. How much influence does the guy have sitting in California for decades with no real contact with a substantially young population that was mostly born after he left? And of the few oldies who remain? They all remember how bad his dad was. There still haven't been any real protests against the regime that are as large as there were against the Shah in his time. I do think the diaspora substantially oversold this. And that could just be a function of how out of touch diasporas become.
It's the exact same scenario as the first group of exiled Iraqi's the Bush the Younger put forward in ruling Iraq after Saddam went down for the count - a bunch of rich, out of touch with reality, middled guys who few to very few in Iraq knew, cared about or respected.

EDIT:

Remember this guy? He was hailed by Bush the Younger as the 'George Washington of Iraq'.....


was an Iraqi convicted fraudster and founder of the Iraqi National Congress (INC) who served as the President of the Governing Council of Iraq (37th Prime Minister of Iraq) and a Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq under Ibrahim al-Jaafari. He is believed to have been an Iranian agent.

Once dubbed the "George Washington of Iraq" by American supporters, he was initially a CIA-backed operative, who later fell out of favor, with U.S. Special Forces raiding his private residence in Baghdad only one year after the invasion of Iraq.
 
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Say what you will about Dubya and his crew of smart people, but at least they had a plan. It turned out to be a terrible plan, but it was a plan.

This looks like the geopolitical equivalent to throwing spaghetti on the wall. And there are no smart people involved in this.
That is quite the arm chair general statement right there. About as dumb a statement that can be made. Can only be attributable to your emotive reaction to DJT.

There are loads of very smart and competent people in the US national security and DoW apparatus.

Just because you don't know what they know, doesn't mean they are junk.
 
Another quick factoid to throw out there: this is day four-ish of strikes against Iran, and it took about 3 weeks of strikes AND ground combat to bump Saddam & Co. out of power ...
... and another 14-ish months with boots on the ground to establish a new government to take up the baton officially.
Apples and oranges? Probably, but just a historic data point tossed onto the discussion table.
 
While dealing with the worst, highest-up bad boys is good, some may think you're being premature saying the "regime" is "deleted." Like this guy rightly says ....

After all, even POTUS47 has been ... flexible in his timeline so far.
That regime was deleted, immediately. Whether another emerges to take up the mantle is a separate argument.
 
That is quite the arm chair general statement right there. About as dumb a statement that can be made. Can only be attributable to your emotive reaction to DJT.

There are loads of very smart and competent people in the US national security and DoW apparatus.

Just because you don't know what they know, doesn't mean they are junk.
Yes there are lots of very smart and competent people in the US national security and DoD apparatus - just how many of them are actually listened to is a whole other question......

Reminds me alot of that British Officer at the beginning of the move on Operation Market Garden who brings up a number of concerns/facts/proof that German Armor is spread throughout the landing zones and Sr British Staff when confronted with this information, have him eased out on a Psych Exam excuse as being 'too tired' and 'worn out'......
 
Another quick factoid to throw out there: this is day four-ish of strikes against Iran, and it took about 3 weeks of strikes AND ground combat to bump Saddam & Co. out of power ...

... and another 14-ish months with boots on the ground to establish a new government to take up the baton officially.

Apples and oranges? Probably, but just a historic data point tossed onto the discussion table.
The plan may just be a repeat of Libya. Remove the pain point, and leave the locals to sort themselves out.
 
Yes there are lots of very smart and competent people in the US national security and DoD apparatus - just how many of them are actually listened to is a whole other question......

Reminds me alot of that British Officer at the beginning of the move on Operation Market Garden who brings up a number of concerns/facts/proof that German Armor is spread throughout the landing zones and Sr British Staff when confronted with this information, have him eased out on a Psych Exam excuse as being 'too tired' and 'worn out'......

Brian Urquhart enters the chat...

"The episode was described by Cornelius Ryan in his book on "Market Garden", A Bridge Too Far. In the film version, directed by Richard Attenborough, Urquhart's character (portrayed by Irish actor Frank Grimes) was renamed "Major Fuller", to avoid confusion with the British general Roy Urquhart, the commander of the 1st Airborne Division at Arnhem. The subsequent failure of the operation and the heavy casualties that resulted vindicated Urquhart's judgment. He became deeply depressed by his failure to persuade his superiors to halt the operation, and requested a transfer out of the airborne forces."

 
Still no news about the Iranian subs but a "carrier" has been confirmed sunk, the Shahid Bagheri.


EDIT: Above website is having technical issues, same story below.

 
Brian Urquhart enters the chat...

"The episode was described by Cornelius Ryan in his book on "Market Garden", A Bridge Too Far. In the film version, directed by Richard Attenborough, Urquhart's character (portrayed by Irish actor Frank Grimes) was renamed "Major Fuller", to avoid confusion with the British general Roy Urquhart, the commander of the 1st Airborne Division at Arnhem. The subsequent failure of the operation and the heavy casualties that resulted vindicated Urquhart's judgment. He became deeply depressed by his failure to persuade his superiors to halt the operation, and requested a transfer out of the airborne forces."

Yup, that's the guy.

What was the phased that was used in the movie by the British General Browning that failed to listen to him - 'Intelligence makes other nervous because you're brighter than most'.....
 
Other outlets running with this from that source ....
I'm sure the new mandate for military chaplains will help add some context, right?
The Y'all Qaeda strikes again.
 
Yes there are lots of very smart and competent people in the US national security and DoD apparatus - just how many of them are actually listened to is a whole other question......
Speculation based on your priors.
 
I contend there are professionals running this conflict, don't jump to immediate criticism.

Others here contend they're morons, POTUS doesn't listen anyway, it's all fucked from the get go.

:ROFLMAO:

I will have a great day. I hope you do too.
 
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