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Still no news about the Iranian subs but a "carrier" has been confirmed sunk, the Shahid Bagheri.
US Strikes Destroy Iran's Main Naval Assets - Naval News
The United States military has inflicted significant damage to Iran's naval capabilities with the confirmed sinking of multiple major vessels as part of the ongoing Operation Epic Fury campaign.www.navalnews.com
EDIT: Above website is having technical issues, same story below.
Iran's drone carrier, I was wondering what had happened to it. I wonder if it was tied up in port or actually out sailing. The CENTCOM statement says they got it within hours of the conflict starting, so I'm assuming it was at port like the frigates. Regardless, someone gets to claim an aircraft carrier kill for the first time since the US sunk the Japanese Amagi in 1945.
For the US objectives, it seems like if they had these outlined when they started than they should/would have put them out from the beginning. But regime change is on the list.
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You are absolutely right. The only bright spot in all of this is the extraordinary skill shown by CENTCOM leaders, planners, and assigned forces.I contend there are professionals running this conflict, don't jump to immediate criticism.
Others here contend they're morons, POTUS doesn't listen anyway, it's all fucked from the get go.
I will have a great day. I hope you do too.
The use of military power (indeed any of the four elements of National Power) must be tied to clearly defined policy objectives, as opposed to ill-if at all-defined political objectives. That link is not readily apparent.
The use of the US military as an Israeli proxy force complicates all of this and is anathema to most Americans, but I trust the leadership at CENTCOM, some of whom I know personally.
CENTCOM is not a clown show. The Cabinet is.
After the Iraq war, you couldn't find a person who supported the invasion. Thankfully we can document support in places like this.
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This should be a GAU-5A
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Crowds in the streets of Iran chanting for the Shah's return (Which can get you killed on the spot for), a huge diaspora also chanting for it. What Iranians see in him is a form of stability in what comes next. They want change, not civil war and not what happened to Iraq. The old Shah also represents a period of economic growth and most of his fight was with communists and Islamists. The popular revolt was helped by the communists (Likely with Soviet support) and then usurped by the Islamists who represented much of the agricultural Landlords and rural areas, resisting the secularisation of the country. People also get to compare what life was like under the old Shah and the current Islamists and realize that even the old one was better. The son clearly realizes he is a symbol and that once in Iran he has to show the people (and the military) that the good faith placed in him is his to win or lose based on his actions.
As for being "Out of touch" diaspora, these people are in constant communication with their relatives, there are frequent movements of people between Iran and the western populations. It is a very dynamic group with global business ties and constant evolvement. I will completely disagree with your viewpoint on the subject. As for your claim of massed killings, this is AI take on the subject:
Key Casualty Estimates (1978–1979)
- Historian Consensus: Most historians estimate that between 532 and 2,781 people were killed by security forces during the peak of the revolution from January 1978 to February 1979.
- Emadeddin Baghi (Martyr Foundation): A researcher for the Foundation of Martyrs, established to compensate families of those killed, found that approximately 3,164 people were killed in anti-Shah protests between 1963 and 1979.
- Black Friday (September 8, 1978): On this day in Tehran, security forces fired on protesters. While early estimates suggested thousands, records from the Martyr Foundation identified only 79 dead, while the coroner's office counted 82 to 895, and cemeteries registered 768.
- Inflated Numbers: Military historian Spencer C. Tucker notes that the 60,000 figure often cited by the new regime was "grossly overstated" for propaganda purposes.
- Initial Reports: During early protests, such as the 1978 Qom protests, initial reports of hundreds of deaths were often exaggerated, while official government figures were severely understated.
- The Shah’s Stance: Sociologist Charles Kurzman found that the Shah frequently told foreign diplomats that he was "unwilling to massacre his subjects" to save his throne, despite the violent, often chaotic, repression carried out by his security forces (SAVAK, police, and army).
It is noted that after the Shah’s departure in February 1979, the new Islamic Republic consolidated power by executing thousands of former officials, monarchists, and dissidents, with some estimates citing 8,000 to 9,500 executions between 1980 and 1985.
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The military leadership’s professionalism does appear to be beyond reproach in this matter. They also seem very careful to stay in their lane, and to certain extent so is Hegseth. The State Department ultimately carries the ball for defining war objectives of the President and Congress. The clownage starts somewhere between Rubio and infinity Trump ramblings. It’s disappointing as Rubio is probably one if the more sensible members of the Cabinet, he’s got no influence whatsoever over the rest.
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We can agree on the main issue; CENTCOM leaders, planners, and assigned forces.
The link to policy objectives may not be entirely visible to the rest of us and it is my opinion the US is not being used as an Israeli proxy, but we both know opinions vary and are greatly influenced on one's political beliefs. Whether Cabinet is competent or not is also an opinion. I like what I see from Rubio and Hegseth so far, much better than what I see in our own country.
From my standpoint, if the main objectives are achieved without major combat losses and doesn't result in decade+ of rotating boots on the ground incurring never-ending casualties, it will be a success.
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Do you know what a regime is?
If the "regime" has been "deleted" things would be a lot different at the moment, for example, the regime wouldn't currently be holding succession meetings, which, unfortunately, they are.
A regime is the entire government that runs a country, not just select people at the top. A regime has contingencies plans, even if their authoritarian leader is killed, or large parts of the government are killed.
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Kind of concerning if this is in anyway true.
U.S. Troops Were Told Iran War Is for “Armageddon,” Return of Jesus
Advocacy group reports commanders giving similar messages at more than 30 installations in every branch of the militaryjonathanlarsen.substack.com
Oh FFS
. That’s all we need now. Christian Taliban vs. The Mullahs. How much should we wager some of those weird apocalyptic evangelicals who hang around Trump have been whispering in his ear to do this?
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A short definition is that a regime is a system, not people. Widespread sloppy use of "the regime" to refer to the people running it has blurred the line.
I never made any claims on "massed killings". I said that protests during the Islamic Revolution had much higher involvement than today's anti-regime protests. And this is concerning.
You're also focusing on the diaspora. They are pointless. Regime change requires people in Iran who will take to the street, and/or take up arms. No amount of diaspora protests will actually do that.
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It would appear while the story is real, the image is was ai generated.
They have not yet achieved even what they did in Venezuela in terms of actual change of direction from the management of the country.
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Concur - and I'm on the side of "different folks, same bus & map" for now, anyway.
Rubio was just on now contradicting his earlier statement about going in because of Israel.
Now saying it isn’t because of Israel.
Whoever is in charge of messaging has really bungled this up.
Now saying it isn’t because of Israel.
Whoever is in charge of messaging has really bungled this up.
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Or it was Israel. If in North America and one hears the beat of hooves outside, it is way more likely to be horses than zebras....
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You are correct, and I apologize and retract that claim. You did say: They all remember how bad his dad was . I inferred that to mean mass killings, so perhaps you can explain how the Shah's rule is worse than the Islamic regime?
Your statement about coming out on the streets is wrong. The population in every major city and many smaller urban areas did come out onto the streets and were succeeding, until the Regime decided to machine gun the crowds (something the old Shah did not want to do). With an estimated 30-100,000 dead and similar numbers detained and tortured, going out on the street is very difficult, but it is still happening and there is a resurgence in street protests since the bombings as the IRGC starts to become uncoordinated. Also completely disagree with you diaspora remark, the protests are important to direct public opinion and political pressure in the West. The diaspora also provides communications, coordination and money to their friends and relatives in the country.
