Iran Super Thread- Merged

[Halifax Tar]

Here is the GoC's evolving position as explained by National Post:

Carney says he supports U.S. strikes on Iran 'with regret,' as Liberal divisions emerge

Carney supports U.S. and Israeli strikes on Iran "with regret," because the conflict represents a "failure of the international order."

nationalpost.com

Convening remains the go-to solution for Canada, which apparently hasn't worked for 47 years but heck lets keep trying....

Can someone explain support with regret for me ?

A broken clock is right twice a day.

The Yanks didn’t bother to build an international coalition for this op, or justify their action to their allies. When they’re left in the lurch and the cities become targets, people tend to get a little pissed.

The mullahs are in survival mode. They aren’t going to hunker down like in other strikes.

The US has never needed an international coalition. They can project and sustain by themselves.

I doubt they had any clue they were under attack....and it smashed the entire stern of the ship - engineering spaces would have flooded quickly in addition to the compartments that were utterly destroyed in the initial explosion....the bow looked relatively undamaged, but that ship is dead and gone. Wow.

That is defiantly a dead ship.

Below is a link to the video on Twitter for anyone who doesn't want to open it up on Instagram.

This one actually bothers me. From my (admittedly limited) experience working in that area of the world and researching/studying/learning about the different parts of the Iranian military, what I understood was that the Iranian Navy is one of the least dogmatic/fanatical of the services. That mantel belongs to the IRGCN. The IRN are primarily national in their perspective, wanting to serve the country and it's people, not the Supreme Leader. This vessel was hundreds of miles away from the combat area and posed no threat to US forces while it was off the coast of Sir Lanka. They should have been afforded the opportunity to put into a neutral port and tie-up for the duration of the "war" or scuttle their ship if need be. Instead, reports indicate that over 100 sailors are now dead, and I don't think that was necessary.

Or maybe I just have a soft spot for sailors, regardless of their nation.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029199930384941560

I see the Belgrano-esq hand wringing has begun.

So I guess an IRGC team can attack a USN vessel (anywhere) and that’s fair game.

Seems fair to me. Isn't that how a war works ?

If that Iranian ship wasn't steaming like it was already in a fight that just shows a complete lack of situational awareness.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Can someone explain support with regret for me ?

It's kinda like "Conscription if necessary, but not necessarily conscription."

I hope that clears things up a bit

 

[Halifax Tar]

It's kinda like "Conscription if necessary, but not necessarily conscription."

I hoe that clears things up a bit

A typically Canadian word salad lol

 

[Quirky]

Support the op - Pander to the Conservative base.
Regret supporting the op - Pander to his radical NDP base that voted for him.

Need to cover all bases. I do'nt think the US really cares what Canada's feelings are on this matter. Canada would be better off just keeping the press releases to a minimum during all this.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I do'nt think the US really cares what Canada's feelings are on this matter.

I think this is the part most Canadians don't understand or it hurts them them most.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I think this is the part most Canadians don't understand or it hurts them them most.

I don't really care what's going on day to day in the US anymore, I don't need any of this reported to me on Canadian evening news or in the 'newspaper'. I want to know what going on in Canada and then what's going on across the world, of which the US is part of that. I moved out of the US 25yrs ago and I don't need to know what's happening there at the micro level that is reported on here in Canada.

When I lived in Belgium I didn't get the level of reporting about what was going on in France that we get with the US. When I lived in The Netherlands I didn't get the level of reporting about what was going on in Germany that we get with the US. And finally, the same thing when I lived in the Czech Republic. So, why do we in Canada send so much time reporting on what's happening in the US? Stop and focus more on events/concerns that are happening in Canada. This is where we live, this is where our taxes are spent, this is where the people we vote in power live.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I don't really care what's going on day to day in the US anymore, I don't need any of this reported to me on Canadian evening news or in the 'newspaper'. I want to know what going on in Canada and then what's going on across the world, of which the US is part of that. I moved out of the US 25yrs ago and I don't need to know what's happening there at the micro level that is reported on here in Canada.

When I lived in Belgium I didn't get the level of reporting about what was going on in France that we get with the US. When I lived in The Netherlands I didn't get the level of reporting about what was going on in Germany that we get with the US. And finally, the same thing when I lived in the Czech Republic. So, why do we in Canada send so much time reporting on what's happening in the US? Stop and focus more on events/concerns that are happening in Canada. This is where we live, this is where our taxes are spent, this is where the people we vote in power live.

There is a certain set of Canadian that has built their very being as a Canadian on a bed rock of not being not American and anti-Americanism, as well as being obsessed with everything the Americans do, and then judging it from a place of vapid and internationally ignored moral superiority.

 

[ytz]

They should have been afforded the opportunity to put into a neutral port and tie-up for the duration of the "war" or scuttle their ship if need be. Instead, reports indicate that over 100 sailors are now dead, and I don't think that was necessary.

They were actually in Indian waters coming from an exercise. They could have pulled into port and stayed out the war. I think putting out to international waters is basically them understanding the risk. Sucks. But that's war. Don't know why any Iranian ship would want to be at sea right now, knowing they have little to no chance of achieving anything but being target practice for the USN.

 

[ytz]

Here's a big one.....

Aramco halted operations at Saudi Arabia’s largest oil refinery at Ras Tanura on the Persian Gulf coast after a drone strike in the area.

Gasoil futures jumped on news of the closure of the refinery that’s a key supplier of diesel, as Iran intensified attacks that damaged critical energy infrastructure in the region.

Aramco shut the 550,000 barrel-a-day Ras Tanura plant on Monday as a precaution while assessing damage, the Saudi Energy Ministry said in statement to the country’s state news agency.

There was a “limited” fire at the plant caused by debris from the interception of two drones that were targeting the facility and the blaze was “immediately contained,” the Saudi Press Agency said. Aramco’s media office did not respond to a request for comment.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-03-02/saudi-arabia-s-ras-tanura-refinery-shuts-down-after-drone-attack

 

[daftandbarmy]

F-35's first air-to-air kill...


Israel says fighter jet took down Iranian warplane, the first shootdown of its kind

Israeli air force commander tells pilots 'historic' milestone demonstrates military strength as war continues

Israel says fighter jet took down Iranian warplane, the first shootdown of its kind

Israel’s military said an F-35I “Adir" stealth jet shot down an Iranian Yak-130 over Tehran, the first time the aircraft has destroyed a manned fighter in combat.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Brad Sallows]

what I understood was that the Iranian Navy is one of the least dogmatic/fanatical of the services. That mantel belongs to the IRGCN.

Yes. "Regime change" without ground invasion is unlikely to work well unless someone in Iran can take up arms against the government and its personal guard (IRGC). If Iranians are largely disarmed and none of the IRGC defects and there are no other security forces with sufficient mass, that leaves non-IRGC forces loyal to the nation rather than the government as their best hope.

 

[ytz]

F-35's first air-to-air kill...


Israel says fighter jet took down Iranian warplane, the first shootdown of its kind

Israeli air force commander tells pilots 'historic' milestone demonstrates military strength as war continues

Israel says fighter jet took down Iranian warplane, the first shootdown of its kind

Israel’s military said an F-35I “Adir" stealth jet shot down an Iranian Yak-130 over Tehran, the first time the aircraft has destroyed a manned fighter in combat.

www.foxnews.com

An F-35 killing a Yak-130 is like Mike Tyson going after a rookie high school boxer. I really wouldn't be bragging about this.

 

[Cloud Cover]

An F-35 killing a Yak-130 is like Mike Tyson going after a rookie high school boxer. I really wouldn't be bragging about this.

Let there be a lesson in that for the Gripen crowd.

 

[Remius]

A typically Canadian word salad lol

Not really.

It’s basically “we support your action, but regret that it has come to this”

It’s not hard to understand.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Not really.

It’s basically “we support your action, but regret that it has come to this”

It’s not hard to understand.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Support the op - Pander to the Conservative base.
Regret supporting the op - Pander to his radical NDP base that voted for him.

Need to cover all bases. I do'nt think the US really cares what Canada's feelings are on this matter. Canada would be better off just keeping the press releases to a minimum during all this.

Do you really think that the determining factor in the last election was "radical base NDP voters? Not the campaign run by CPC, or its policies? Or the unpopularity of its leader? Or events outside Canada?

Are you sure you haven't become a closet Trudeau Liberal, given your embrace of decision-based evidence making, as well as seeing the political landscape as you wish it was, rather than what it is?

 

[PPCLI Guy]

A typically Canadian word salad lol

I know, right? Nuance is so much harder to understand than bluster. Very aggravating that the level of analysis has been lifted beyond simplistic bumper stickers.

 

[Remius]

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

If people read the actual quote, yes. It’s been constant with his message for the last year.

“We do, however, take this position with regret, because the current conflict is another example of the failure of the international order."

 

[Czech_pivo]

If people read the actual quote, yes. It’s been constant with his message for the last year.

“We do, however, take this position with regret, because the current conflict is another example of the failure of the international order."

He’s saying quite plainly that the UN has failed consistently in its current form and here we are.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Let there be a lesson in that for the Gripen crowd.

Are you comparing a Gripen E fighter to YAK130 trainer?