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Iran Super Thread- Merged
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The advisor to the West's brand new theocracy; the one that just attacked another theocracy.
But it's not a war. You hero said so.
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Paula White-Cain
That clip is from 2020, the day after Trump lost the election. That's her "praying" for his victory. Guess it wasn't answered.
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Huh… 2 minutes out and flying at 80 feet…
They were in the middle of negotiations and moving in the right direction. But the Epstein stink on tRump is getting really skunky , tRump has never liked to negotiate. He prefers bulldozing as he has the patience of a 2 year old. I’m sure Netanyahu was busy stroking his ego as well.
You, and much of the press have correctly called it a war although tRump and Whiskey Pete have called it a special operation to avoid getting constitutionally required permission from congress. Now that the Senate and soon House have voted to not reign in the president; they have essentially given him permission to do as he pleases, again.
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Come November that more than likely won’t be the case.
The dying fails of an administration about to be emasculated.
Hope you and the pollsters are right.
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Me to brother.
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Starting a war with country that starts lobbing missiles and drones in all directions without talking to regional allies probably isn’t helpful.
Yep. One. And depending on what time it is, the White House will or won’t say they had to go in because Bibi allegedly forced their hand.
He’s said there are no rules of engagement, so this tracks.
That should help
FFS…
Paula White-Cain, televangelist, spiritual advisor to the President, proponent of “prosperity theology”, considered a heretic by many Christians. Loon and/or grifter.
Paula White-Cain - Wikipedia
Christians furious as Trump appoints 'heretic' preacher to White House
Donald Trump 's choice to lead the newly-created White House Faith Office is being rejected even by some Christian conservatives.
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Another brilliant move…
Kash Patel gutted FBI counterintelligence team tasked with tracking Iranian threats days before US strikes, sources say
Kash Patel gutted FBI counterintelligence team tasked with tracking Iranian threats days before US strikes, sources say
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Well at least Trump is keeping America true to its historic roots of being a place of refuge for Christian Religious fringe movements. First the Pilgrims and Quakers, then the Mormons and Shakers and now this.Starting a war with country that starts lobbing missiles and drones in all directions without talking to regional allies probably isn’t helpful.
Yep. One. And depending on what time it is, the White House will or won’t say they had to go in because Bibi allegedly forced their hand.
He’s said there are no rules of engagement, so this tracks.
FFS…
Paula White-Cain, televangelist, spiritual advisor to the President, proponent of “prosperity theology”, considered a heretic by many Christians. Loon and/or grifter.
Paula White-Cain - Wikipedia
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Christians furious as Trump appoints 'heretic' preacher to White House
Donald Trump 's choice to lead the newly-created White House Faith Office is being rejected even by some Christian conservatives.www.dailymail.co.uk
OldSolduer
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Much like Congress has done for generations.
OldSolduer
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Those big televangelists are all grifters. Every one of them.
The only thing that matters to them is that the money keeps rolling in.
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Love reading all the criticism about America on here with the occasional pedantic complaint about terminology or detail.
Meanwhile America is kicking the shit out of one of the planets most vile outfits, and it’s about time somebody capable did it.
Meanwhile America is kicking the shit out of one of the planets most vile outfits, and it’s about time somebody capable did it.
America’s great at killing people and breaking their stuff. Nobody here is contesting that. For some people that’s enough, with no further thought to the long game required to declare things ‘good’.
Historically they’ve just been pretty bad at building something more geopolitically stable in the place of what they tear down. They’ve had a tendency to either knock down pretty shitty but relatively stable authoritarian regimes and have more more killing and sundry awfulness as a result, or to deliver a military spanking but leave in place a still tyrannical but now more desperate regime. Gulf War 91, Saddam stayed in power and committed more atrocity. Afghanistan, we went in to pound the piss out of the Taliban and kill Al-Qaeda, did some of both, but couldn’t actually settle on strategic objectives for the long run. ended up losing and the Taliban are back in charge. Gulf War 2: Electric Boogaloo ended Saddam but directly led to the massive vacuum that permitted the rise of ISIS and everything that entailed. Venezuela, thus far they’ve left the exact same regime in place save for the one top boss. Iran so far, lots of folks dead but the same regime that slaughtered probably tens of thousands a couple months ago remains in place and the strategic objectives remain muddled- can’t say they’re baking the same cake, but the list of ingredients looks a lot like 2003.
But yeah, sure, things are going great. If you ignore the dead US troops, a couple billion dollars of destroyed radars, the freight and oil companies that won’t sail Hormuz, the massive spike in natural gas prices, the smashed up AWS data centers that keeping eating drones across the gulf, the burned out apartment tower in Bahrain, the various and sundry dead civilians across the Emirates and gulf states, and the massive depletion of U.S. and allies missile stocks that kinda might be needed elsewhere.
Iran will definitely come out of this more peaceful and stable and not at all motivated to cause more problems in future after they dig some much deeper holes to build stuff in.
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“America is a large friendly dog in a small room. Every time it wags its tail it knocks over a chair,”
Arnold J. Toynbee
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5 days in...
Lord Halifax would be proud of the people declaring a loss at this stage of the fight.
You were quoting me, so I’ll set you straight. I’m not ‘declaring a loss’, kindly don’t make things up and pretend I’ve said them. What I’m saying is that thus far things are recognizably on a track that’s become fairly familiar by this point in history and that doesn’t usually leave things in better shape than they were found in. Maybe America will do better in Iran in the long run than they have elsewhere. I won’t pretend to be optimistic about that of course.
Tremendous and operationally impressive tactical victory as a fig leaf over shoddy long term strategic planning is as American as apple pie.
Iran is a much harder problem set than Afghanistan or Iraq were. While their ability to hit back is being attrited, unless their government collapses and is replaced, and unless that replacement abandons their weapons development, a strategic victory will take lots more than what we’re seeing now.
Fundamentally this is about whether the U.S. and Israel can stop Iran from digging really deep holes in mountains and building lots of weapons in them. In the past year they’ve shown Iran how deep to dig.
So some things are still missing before this can be said to be going particularly well in light of the very clear economic and political harm being done.
