Iran Super Thread- Merged

[RangerRay]

What's your definition of a little bit ?

Google says:

It was 30 to 40 nautical miles outside the 200-nautical-mile Total Exclusion Zone (TEZ) declared by the UK. And sailing away from the TEZ.

Hence the controversy.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Sri Lanka has a 12nm territorial waters, but the sinking was well within their EEZ . This is a 40nm radius from Galle, so she was sunk somewhere in that area. Hard to tell with open source what her intentions where. Whether to attack Diego Garcia or to head home? According to Wiki, the class can carry 4x Noor Anti-ship missiles with a range up to 200km.

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If the air war continues for a few weeks, the US has to wonder if China attempts to dip a toe or two towards Taiwan. The war stocks will begin to run down, air crews will begin to tire, centralizing so many assets out of their 'normal' patrol zones will begin to be noticed.

Same with the drug runners from the Caribbean and the WC, have to wonder if they'll be able to run in some more drugs during this time period when maybe not so many eyes are looking for them.

 

[Brad Sallows]

yes i burned down your house but now you can do the kitchen renovation you've always been talking about

Not really. Your frame implies a concern for the desires of the homeowner. The CoA I outlined is just another country deciding not to put up with any more shit.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

If the air war continues for a few weeks, the US has to wonder if China attempts to dip a toe or two towards Taiwan. The war stocks will begin to run down, air crews will begin to tire, centralizing so many assets out of their 'normal' patrol zones will begin to be noticed.

Same with the drug runners from the Caribbean and the WC, have to wonder if they'll be able to run in some more drugs during this time period when maybe not so many eyes are looking for them.

China political circle is in disarray right now and with the death/disappearance of a top general, they might be reluctant to arm them right now/

 

[McG]

Same thing for soldiers on land, surrender or die is not a requirement but it is a honourable thing to offer.

So your thoughts on all those COIN era strike video feeds from predator, apache, and AC-130 gunship is that all those were dishonourable? And would you argue snipers should fire warning shots before engaging a target?

At this point considering the US and Israel are already violating international law ...

If that is your argument, go with it. Don't pretend warships are due some imaginary special privilege under LOAC.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Doesn't help if the State Dept (and equivalents in other governments) are treated as optional niceties. Didn't Rubio cull a whole bunch?

Depends. Which of the culled were involved with all those prior failures of foreign policy?

 

[Brad Sallows]

Problem is - what does that rebuild look like? Topple the current regime (still a maybe...?) and what will rise in its place? Will it be better?

Topple the regime enough times, and one of them probably will be.

 

[OldSolduer]

I think that alot of so called "experts" should heed the words of Buzz Beurling:

"There is no room for softeheartedness in war".

There is room for mercy - if the enemy wants to be treated that way.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Sure. I think the issue here is this medicine would taste better to some if it had been administered by Biden or Obama.

You can't be serious. Look at all the pages and pages of discussion about helping with regime change in Libya and then walking away from it.

 

[Brad Sallows]

What's your definition of a little bit ?

Google says:

It was 30 to 40 nautical miles outside the 200-nautical-mile Total Exclusion Zone (TEZ) declared by the UK. And sailing away from the TEZ.

Total Exclusion Zone.

The TEZ was a warning to everyone, not a promise that Argentinian forces elsewhere would be safe. (See the part about the British message to Argentina.)

All the nonsense about whether Iranian armed forces may be attacked should just go away.

 

[ytz]

Depends. Which of the culled were involved with all those prior failures of foreign policy?

I'm really curious what it is you think diplomats do cause I don't think you understand who actually makes foreign policy.

 

[Brad Sallows]

At this point considering the US and Israel are already violating international law (attacking a sovereign nation without provocation)

Financing terrorists and other belligerent factions is provocation.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Sri Lanka has a 12nm territorial waters, but the sinking was well within their EEZ .

Neutrals - or those wishing to be so - should intern all foreign belligerents in the claimed territory and waters of the neutrals. If they can't or won't, the belligerent forces generally may be attacked.

 

[Brad Sallows]

If the air war continues for a few weeks, the US has to wonder if China attempts to dip a toe or two towards Taiwan. The war stocks will begin to run down, air crews will begin to tire, centralizing so many assets out of their 'normal' patrol zones will begin to be noticed.

Even if the US didn't lift a finger in direct combat, China would be short of oil for a lot longer than it currently has to look forward to.

Something as big as a Chinese attack on Taiwan would put a lot more moving pieces on the table than just an air-sea scrap in the Taiwan Straits.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I'm really curious what it is you think diplomats do cause I don't think you understand who actually makes foreign policy.

Diplomats, here as well as in the US, have no problem complaining when their noses are out of joint because the politicians upend their (diplomats') cozy little ordered world. Since so much of their dissatisfaction makes the news, I suppose the administration knows full well who is useful and who is obstructionist.

Political appointees are routinely shown the door after changes of administration just because they were appointed by the prior administration (even on the same "side" - Bush after Reagan), and not-with-the-program employees are just as routinely sidelined if they can't be released.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Financing terrorists and other belligerent factions is provocation.

If thats the case the US should be bombed into the ground as well. Kinda hard for the US to stand on the high ground when they are guilty of the same if not more.

 

[OldSolduer]

Total Exclusion Zone.

All the nonsense about whether Iranian armed forces may be attacked should just go away.

IF the head of the Iranian government is a legit target then so is POTUS to them.

And FWIW I agree with you.

 

[Brad Sallows]

If thats the case the US should be bombed into the ground as well. Kinda hard for the US to stand on the high ground when they are guilty of the same if not more.

Provocation is cause, not requirement.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

IF the head of the Iranian government is a legit target then so is POTUS to them.

And FWIW I agree with you.

POTUS has been a legit target for a long time, both to domestic and international actors.

 

[Brad Sallows]

IF the head of the Iranian government is a legit target then so is POTUS to them.

And FWIW I agree with you.

Pretty much everyone involved in a war effort is a legitimate target.