Iran Super Thread- Merged

[Lumber]

It seems utterly implausible to me that naval vessels would have all their ship’s weapons unloaded for a transit to an exercise, the ex itself, then transit back.

We do it all the time.

 

[Lumber]

I think if the situation was reversed, an Iranian sub wouldn't hesitate to sink a US warship, armed or not.

Ah, so now we're holding ourselves to the same standard as Iran?

 

[KevinB]

We do it all the time.

Say what?

No munitions in any magazine? That seems to be carelessly reckless to bordering criminal negligence.

 

[OldSolduer]

Ah, so now we're holding ourselves to the same standard as Iran?

As far as I’m concerned that Iranian ship was a legit target.
The same as any US warship that Iran may target.

 

[KevinB]

Ah, so now we're holding ourselves to the same standard as Iran?

Well the USN has not seen to attack a noncombatant civilian vessel in the area yet. So no.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Well the USN has not seen to attack a noncombatant civilian vessel in the area yet. So no.

Yet...

 

[Halifax Tar]

Say what?

No munitions in any magazine? That seems to be carelessly reckless to bordering criminal negligence.

There will always be SA Ammo, pyro and usually 57mm of some volume.

But not always torps and missiles.

I have also never been on an ex where there's not some form of gunnery serials so I don't believe the ships were unloaded of ammo.

 

[NavyShooter]

There will always be some form of Force Protection loadout, plus basic safe at sea SOLAS pyro.

Etc etc etc....yeah....no further on caps/etc. Sorry.

 

[PrairieFella]

What is wrong with you ?

Allergic to fun?

 

[Lumber]

@NavyShooter @Halifax Tar

For those of us with experience in this, I think this is where we stop talking about ships' load-outs and capabilities.

 

[Lumber]

As far as I’m concerned that Iranian ship was a legit target.
The same as any US warship that Iran may target.

I do not disagree.

 

[brihard]

@NavyShooter @Halifax Tar

For those of us with experience in this, I think this is where we stop talking about ships' load-outs and capabilities.

Concur. I’m curious but I definitely don’t need to know.

 

[Czech_pivo]

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[Colin Parkinson]

My main concern about the sinking, is that she was regular navy and not IRGC, it would have been useful to have a P8 radio her to say: " We will sink you if you do not put into port, surrender or announce that you no longer support the Islamic Regime and will follow directions of the Shah and transitionary government and instructions of the USN". This would help strengthen the messaging that the conflict is with the IRGC and not Iran. We need the Iranian military to raise up against the IRGC, not to side with it because they are both targets.

 

[Kirkhill]

As far as I’m concerned that Iranian ship was a legit target.
The same as any US warship that Iran may target.

"Don't shoot! I'm out of ammo! Just let me reload..."

 

[OldSolduer]

My main concern about the sinking, is that she was regular navy and not IRGC, it would have been useful to have a P8 radio her to say: " We will sink you if you do not put into port, surrender or announce that you no longer support the Islamic Regime and will follow directions of the Shah and transitionary government and instructions of the USN". This would help strengthen the messaging that the conflict is with the IRGC and not Iran. We need the Iranian military to raise up against the IRGC, not to side with it because they are both targets.

I do like this option but…

IF the Iranian regime was anything like the old USSR there would be crew on board to ensure the captain did not surrender peace.

 

[McG]

My main concern about the sinking, is that she was regular navy and not IRGC, it would have been useful to have a P8 radio her to say: " We will sink you if you do not put into port, surrender or announce that you no longer support the Islamic Regime and will follow directions of the Shah and transitionary government and instructions of the USN". This would help strengthen the messaging that the conflict is with the IRGC and not Iran. We need the Iranian military to raise up against the IRGC, not to side with it because they are both targets.

As a gunner, were you taught to have a FAC invite the enemy to surrender before executing a fire mission?
Were you taught to surrender surprise and initiative to be polite?
Were you a big proponent of taking UN peacekeeping ROE of the 1990's and using those to fight a war?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

As a gunner, were you taught to have a FAC invite the enemy to surrender before executing a fire mission?
Were you taught to surrender surprise and initiative to be polite?
Were you a big proponent of taking UN peacekeeping ROE of the 1990's and using those to fight a war?

I am talking about winning the war, not the battle. In WWII, the French fleet was given the option to switch sides or be sunk. We need the Iranian military to switch side, if we want success in this war.

 

[Kirkhill]

My main concern about the sinking, is that she was regular navy and not IRGC, it would have been useful to have a P8 radio her to say: " We will sink you if you do not put into port, surrender or announce that you no longer support the Islamic Regime and will follow directions of the Shah and transitionary government and instructions of the USN". This would help strengthen the messaging that the conflict is with the IRGC and not Iran. We need the Iranian military to raise up against the IRGC, not to side with it because they are both targets.

I think the whole purpose of all these exercises is to convince the authoritarians of the world that the US can be as ruthless as them and put the fear of God back into them. It started with using large bombs to obliterate drug runners on prime-time. By the time the target shifted to blockade running tankers there wasn't a skipper who wasn't convinced that the Americans would shoot when they demanded he heave-to.

Now the sights have shifted again to naval vessels.

Stay home and stay safe.

America rules the waves.

 

[Lumber]

I am talking about winning the war, not the battle. In WWII, the French fleet was given the option to switch sides or be sunk. We need the Iranian military to switch side, if we want success in this war.

I actually wrote a paper on that battle.