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ytz said:
The Kharg Island taskforce. And markets are closed on the weekends. Enough to not have panicked oil market reactions till Monday.
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Sticking an MEU on a desert island within drone range of shore would be quite the strategic choice.
 
so planning and positioning of all forces come after D Day? Got it

Genius I tell you
 
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PPCLI Guy said:
so planning and positioning of all forces come after D Day? Got it

Genius I tell you
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D+13 seems like a perfectly reasonable time to dispatch an ARG with a more than week long transit time. Supreme vote of confidence in how well the strategy is working out.
 
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Okay my plan to blow up every cargo truck had some obvious flaws.

Plan B. Hegseth sends these guys to park off the coast of Iran then all the marines and sailors (are marines considered sailors?) take FPV exploding drones and chase down drone carrying trucks or Iranians with drone remote controls in their hands.
 
HavokFour said:
This is going to turn into a very expensive venture. Trump is now saying the US doesn't need Ukraine's assistance.




'We don't need Ukraine's help' — Trump rebuffs Zelensky's drone defense offer​

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That's par for the course for a country who actually believes its own stupid myth of exceptionalism. Just as in 1942 the US Navy didn't even want to listen to the RN and RCN (because, what do they know? We're the US, the best, most powerful;l, smartest navy in the world!) about organizing convoys along their east Coast, and ended up giving the U-boots their nicest killing ground - particularly of tankers coming from Venezuela and the Caribbean - in plain sight of the bathers of Florida, Georgia, Virginia, the Carolina's, Delaware and New Jersey. Then Canada got sick and tired, and even though short on vessels, organized convoys to run the oil North from Venezuela. Not a single tanker under Canadian escort was sunk!

But Americans, particularly the uneducated ones (and there are a lot) and the US military think that they know everything, are the best at everything and invented everything.

PPCLI Guy said:
so planning and positioning of all forces come after D Day? Got it

Genius I tell you
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I recently saw a documentary from the early 1960's (can't recall if it was one that was put on Youtube or on the ONF site - I go to both for historical documentaries) that documented the frustrations, on both sides, of the staff planning for D-Day. It explained how the British were frustrated with the American attitude of "just Go! Go! Go! and damn the torpedoes - the lower level officers can make their own call as they face situations" as they saw that as sacrificing life uselessly, while the Americans were frustrated with the British attitude of "plan for every detail and get the last little tool for every situation, then plan some more for all contingencies, and then every contingency in the planned for contingencies." and saw that as cowardice.

The documentary then shows that, if the Americans had been more meticulous in following the British, the forces at Utah would have ended up landing at the right spot and the forces at Omaha would have had heavy tank support on hand for the first wave, and both would have reached their objectives with at least 20% less casualties.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Okay my plan to blow up every cargo truck had some obvious flaws.

Plan B. Hegseth sends these guys to park off the coast of Iran then all the marines and sailors (are marines considered sailors?) take FPV exploding drones and chase down drone carrying trucks or Iranians with drone remote controls in their hands.
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Fire breathing FPVs though, right? I mean somebody has to take a flamethrower to the place.
 
How easy do you think it is to take a flamethrower to a country that is about a fifth the size of the US, has about a quarter the US population and a little less than double the population density?
 
"No quarter" during military conflict, as far as I understand, implies that combatants would not be taken prisoner, but executed.

I would assume most people agree this is illegal?


You would be correct.

 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
That's par for the course for a country who actually believes its own stupid myth of exceptionalism. Just as in 1942 the US Navy didn't even want to listen to the RN and RCN (because, what do they know? We're the US, the best, most powerful;l, smartest navy in the world!) about organizing convoys along their east Coast, and ended up giving the U-boots their nicest killing ground - particularly of tankers coming from Venezuela and the Caribbean - in plain sight of the bathers of Florida, Georgia, Virginia, the Carolina's, Delaware and New Jersey. Then Canada got sick and tired, and even though short on vessels, organized convoys to run the oil North from Venezuela. Not a single tanker under Canadian escort was sunk!

But Americans, particularly the uneducated ones (and there are a lot) and the US military think that they know everything, are the best at everything and invented everything.



I recently saw a documentary from the early 1960's (can't recall if it was one that was put on Youtube or on the ONF site - I go to both for historical documentaries) that documented the frustrations, on both sides, of the staff planning for D-Day. It explained how the British were frustrated with the American attitude of "just Go! Go! Go! and damn the torpedoes - the lower level officers can make their own call as they face situations" as they saw that as sacrificing life uselessly, while the Americans were frustrated with the British attitude of "plan for every detail and get the last little tool for every situation, then plan some more for all contingencies, and then every contingency in the planned for contingencies." and saw that as cowardice.

The documentary then shows that, if the Americans had been more meticulous in following the British, the forces at Utah would have ended up landing at the right spot and the forces at Omaha would have had heavy tank support on hand for the first wave, and both would have reached their objectives with at least 20% less casualties.
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The Patton Vs Montgomery sideshow enters the chat.

Even though Patton wasn’t in command at the time.

It is well known that Montgomery was the detail, set piece battle type. The Americans? not so much.
 
ytz said:
The Kharg Island taskforce. And markets are closed on the weekends. Enough to not have panicked oil market reactions till Monday.
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I’d bet they will run at a decent speed to clear the South China Sea before working up the gear in transit, and stop for gas, supplies, equipment etc in Singapore before busting into the IO. They’ll pick up an escort there as well.
 
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