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GR66 said:
I'm a major proponent of setting up partnerships to produce either European or South Korean (or even US) munitions here in Canada. Both for our own use (and war stocks that we desperately need) as well as for foreign sales (from a safe geographic location).

It is however important to keep in mind that while US munitions may be more expensive than some of the alternatives they are in some cases more advanced - providing greater range, kill probability, ability to intercept more complex targets, etc.

We should definitely procure (and ideally produce) as many low cost/high-use munitions as possible to give us the magazine depth that we require but we should not ignore the high-end (and high cost) munitions that are required for the most advanced target requirements.
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My general inclination is to purchase lots of low end stuff and find out what they can't do then, judiciously, fill in the remaining capability gaps with the best available cost-effective technology.

I am disinclined to spend the entire budget on the best available magic bullet.

Especially when it seems magic bullets are only being produced once a decade and the supplier seems inclined to keeping any available bullets for his own use on impulse, contracts bedamned.
 
Reports now coming out that an A-10 went down today too, near the same time. Went down ‘in the Persian Gulf region’, not clear if it went in the drink or on land. Pilot recovered. No word on if it was shot down or something else happened.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2040137117737632177

There are also reports that a Blackhawk on the F-15 recovery was hit by enemy fire, and limped back into Iraq. Not clear if it made it back to a base but there are no credible reports of casualties.
 
Seems to me that the Iranaians are maintainting a pretty decent air picture for a nation that had it's military "completely obliterated."

Either the Russians/Chinese are giving them one hell of a leg up; or

The U.S. completely misread the threat
 
rmc_wannabe said:
Seems to me that the Iranaians are maintainting a pretty decent air picture for a nation that had it's military "completely obliterated."

Either the Russians/Chinese are giving them one hell of a leg up; or

The U.S. completely misread the threat
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People might also be getting lazy and keep using the same routes in and out for strikes.
 
rmc_wannabe said:
Seems to me that the Iranaians are maintainting a pretty decent air picture for a nation that had it's military "completely obliterated."

Either the Russians/Chinese are giving them one hell of a leg up; or

The U.S. completely misread the threat
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HavokFour said:
People might also be getting lazy and keep using the same routes in and out for strikes.
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A bit of all of the above?
 
I hope this doesn’t snowball. Sending more csar assets to recover csar personnel can get messy. Gotta do it though.
 
rmc_wannabe said:
Seems to me that the Iranaians are maintainting a pretty decent air picture for a nation that had it's military "completely obliterated."

Either the Russians/Chinese are giving them one hell of a leg up; or

The U.S. completely misread the threat
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MANPADs are not an air picture and are almost impossible to stamp out. I think Brihard mentioned a MANPAD trap and it would be pretty easy to execute, especially after knowing CSAR would be coming in heavy.

This is a tactical win only.
 
PuckChaser said:
MANPADs are not an air picture and are almost impossible to stamp out. I think Brihard mentioned a MANPAD trap and it would be pretty easy to execute, especially after knowing CSAR would be coming in heavy.

This is a tactical win only.
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Fair enough. My main point is the U.S. is miscalculating Iran's ability to hit air targets, either because they're overconfident in how degraded the AD systems are; or they don't yet realize that they aren't the only foreign power that can give intel to proxies.
 
rmc_wannabe said:
Seems to me that the Iranaians are maintainting a pretty decent air picture for a nation that had it's military "completely obliterated."

Either the Russians/Chinese are giving them one hell of a leg up; or

The U.S. completely misread the threat
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How many sorties have been flown over their decent air picture?
 
@rmc_wannabe I dont think the US military is, but bombastic leaders who just want to paint everything as roses are definitely overstating successes. This was never going to be a quick 4 week mission as the strikes need to be sustained for the long term to bring regime change or make Iran realize they can't wait out the ADHD. They'll come to the table the more allies come on board to realize the pathway to a stable middle east is a decimated IRGC.
 
rmc_wannabe said:
Fair enough. My main point is the U.S. is miscalculating Iran's ability to hit air targets, either because they're overconfident in how degraded the AD systems are; or they don't yet realize that they aren't the only foreign power that can give intel to proxies.
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USAF overconfident, never.....
 
Perhaps attacking UAE was not the best move for the IRGC

www.iranintl.com

Dubai crackdown hits Iran’s economic lifeline, squeezes IRGC networks

The arrest of dozens of IRGC-linked money changers in the United Arab Emirates is one of the most serious blows yet to Tehran’s sanctions-evasion network, laying bare how heavily the Islamic Republic has depended on Dubai as an economic lifeline.
www.iranintl.com www.iranintl.com
 
Cobbling various details together:

Seems to be firming up more… F-15E shot down. Pilot recovered, but House Armed Services Committee has been advised the WSO is still missing.

Blackhawk on the rescue mission struck with small arms fire, made it back to Iraq with wounded crew.

A-10 supporting the op was struck, pilot made it out over the Gulf and ejected. That might jive with the Herc that was videoed doing low passes near Kharg island earlier in the day.

Earlier there was a photo of an A-10 flying with mostly empty hard points (bad day for somebody) and what looked like a bite taken out of the tail.

So. Bad day for USAF. I hope they can find and recover that weapons officer.
 
PuckChaser said:
MANPADs are not an air picture and are almost impossible to stamp out. I think Brihard mentioned a MANPAD trap and it would be pretty easy to execute, especially after knowing CSAR would be coming in heavy.

This is a tactical win only.
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Tactical win against the JPR/CR effort.

Strategic win seeing a mighty USAF Strike Eagle shot down, the pilot and WSO running and the recovery package getting some SAFIRE action.
 
Colin Parkinson said:
Perhaps attacking UAE was not the best move for the IRGC

www.iranintl.com

Dubai crackdown hits Iran’s economic lifeline, squeezes IRGC networks

The arrest of dozens of IRGC-linked money changers in the United Arab Emirates is one of the most serious blows yet to Tehran’s sanctions-evasion network, laying bare how heavily the Islamic Republic has depended on Dubai as an economic lifeline.
www.iranintl.com www.iranintl.com
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I said this right from the beginning.

I was really surprised they were attacking the UAE given how much they smuggle through there.
 
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