Iran Super Thread- Merged

[HavokFour]

Trump states that the U.S. navy intercepted and ultimately fired on an Iranian-flagged cargo vessel trying to run the blockade, “blowing a hole in the engineroom”. The ship is claimed to have then been seized by U.S. Marines.

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Whatever the righteousness or not of the strike and seizure, this will probably not help negotiations being steered on Iran’s side by the hardliners.

3 hours prior Iran reportedly rejected taking part in round 2 of talks. It's difficult to say if this had a part, as we're only going off when Trump posted about it and not when today the actual seizure took place.

 

[brihard]

It's a bunch of college interns writing for some Neocon left-behinds. I don't usually pay any attention to what they write.

Ok, fair enough. I’ll adjust accordingly.

 

[PrairieFella]

Trump states that the U.S. navy intercepted and ultimately fired on an Iranian-flagged cargo vessel trying to run the blockade, “blowing a hole in the engineroom”. The ship is claimed to have then been seized by U.S. Marines.

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Whatever the righteousness or not of the strike and seizure, this will probably not help negotiations being steered on Iran’s side by the hardliners.

Naval folk, legit question - what is the line between a legitimate boarding leading to seizure and piracy (privateering in this case I guess lol)?

 

[brihard]

Naval folk, legit question - what is the line between a legitimate boarding leading to seizure and piracy (privateering in this case I guess lol)?

Not naval folk, but a student of some international law / LOAC.

Definitely not privateering or piracy in a legal sense; they’re not private actors acting on a charter from a state or alternatively for their own benefit. It’s the official navy of a nation state. That would put it elsewhere in the Law of Armed Conflict.

That then makes it necessary to look at whether an armed conflict exists (it certainly does), and to then argue over the legality of these actions in the scope of that armed conflict; the Jus in Bello concept. Generally speaking a declared and well defined blockade by one belligerent against another isn’t legally problematic. I think the U.S. blockade of Iran would pretty much fall within those parameters; CENTCOM has issued clear criteria.

You could suck back farther and argue whether the war itself is lawful; given how the U.N. system for authorizing and adjudicating that has basically collapsed into ineffectiveness, we’re back to victor’s law in that respect.

 

[ytz]

Iran may not be the only country struggling financially.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/u-a-e-asks-u-s-for-a-wartime-financial-lifeline-3f9ea3a0

 

[lenaitch]

I don't remember if it has been discussed here but on other forums there is mention of some USN ships having some serious problems with dwindling supplies. Usual caveats but this is apparently an image of a meal on USS Abraham Lincoln (that 'thing' is apparently an eggplant)



One wonders if the administration (Trump/Hegseth) thought this was going to be such a quick-and-dirty that they didn't bother with the usual planning for extensive deployments. I have no clues on the matter but suspect that sending several ships and a few thousand sailor off probably requires more toilet paper and victuals than they usually stock.

 

[HavokFour]

I don't remember if it has been discussed here but on other forums there is mention of some USN ships having some serious problems with dwindling supplies. Usual caveats but this is apparently an image of a meal on USS Abraham Lincoln (that 'thing' is apparently an eggplant)

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One wonders if the administration (Trump/Hegseth) thought this was going to be such a quick-and-dirty that they didn't bother with the usual planning for extensive deployments. I have no clues on the matter but suspect that sending several ships and a few thousand sailor off probably requires more toilet paper and victuals than they usually stock.

Post in thread 'Iran Super Thread- Merged'

Friday at 22:00

Logistics problem? I know this can occasionally happen on submarines near the end of longer deployments, but surface ships?

Have a look at the mystery meat being served on the Abraham Lincoln with a side of carrots.

Cookies, deodorant, socks. Iran war puts military packages in limbo

Thousands of boxes sent to service members in Middle East are stuck in limbo. The Postal Service has indefinitely suspended delivery amid Iran war.

www.usatoday.com

• HavokFour

I have since been seeing a rumor going around that the CVV has had to supply other ships in the CSG, and has been rationing food for the past month because of that.

But also the DoD is pushing back. So honestly who knows at this point, no indication of when these were taken.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2045460359310463120

https://twitter.com/x/status/2045294598252036160

Pete's been using a new favorite word too, twice in the last few days. If the press are the 'Pharisee', who then is Jesus is this analogy?

You can see how this could be what some would consider borderline antisemitism.

 

[mariomike]

I have no clues on the matter but suspect that sending several ships and a few thousand sailor off probably requires more toilet paper and victuals than they usually stock.

Wouldn't be be be the first time there was a TP shortage in the USN .

During the 11 ¾ months elapsing from the time of ordering the toilet paper and the present date, the Skipjack personnel, despite their best efforts to await delivery of subject material, have been unable to wait on numerous occasions, and the situation is now quite acute, especially during depth charge attack by the "back-stabbers."

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Trump states that the U.S. navy intercepted and ultimately fired on an Iranian-flagged cargo vessel trying to run the blockade, “blowing a hole in the engineroom”. The ship is claimed to have then been seized by U.S. Marines.

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Whatever the righteousness or not of the strike and seizure, this will probably not help negotiations being steered on Iran’s side by the hardliners.

Some more on the event

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Post in thread 'Iran Super Thread- Merged'

Friday at 22:00

Logistics problem? I know this can occasionally happen on submarines near the end of longer deployments, but surface ships?

Have a look at the mystery meat being served on the Abraham Lincoln with a side of carrots.

Cookies, deodorant, socks. Iran war puts military packages in limbo

Thousands of boxes sent to service members in Middle East are stuck in limbo. The Postal Service has indefinitely suspended delivery amid Iran war.

www.usatoday.com

• HavokFour

I have since been seeing a rumor going around that the CVV has had to supply other ships in the CSG, and has been rationing food for the past month because of that.

But also the DoD is pushing back. So honestly who knows at this point, no indication of when these were taken.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2045460359310463120

https://twitter.com/x/status/2045294598252036160

Pete's been using a new favorite word too, twice in the last few days. If the press are the 'Pharisee', who then is Jesus is this analogy?

You can see how this could be what some would consider borderline antisemitism.

I would not be surprised that the USN just rediscovered the challenges of supplying a fleet at sea, while in a actual hot zone and all the previous logistic ports are under missile attack and facing their own shortages.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I don't remember if it has been discussed here but on other forums there is mention of some USN ships having some serious problems with dwindling supplies.

That looks sad.


#butwhataboutism
To be a little self-deprecating that meal looks a lot better than what our soldiers were eating on the first roto or two to Poland (and others?). Not because we didn't have supplies but because:

1. We didn't want to insult the host country by bringing our own cooks/food; and
2. We didn't want to call out the host country for ripping us off and not giving us what we paid for.

Allegedly.