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President Trump thinks that a decision Joe Biden made two years ago is the reason for the U.S. munitions shortage—not his costly and unpopular war on Iran.

"They talk about munitions—and we're fine with munitions, we're fine. But the reason it would be lowerand we're building them like crazybut the reason it's low is [Joe Biden] gave three hundred billion dollars worth to Ukraine," Trump said on the Real America's Voice network Tuesday morning.

"They never mention that. They never like to mention that. Now I'd like to give to Ukraine also, but they have to pay—meaning the European Union ... I give it to the European Union—they have money, and they pay top dollar, they pay full dollar."

They are fine

It's low

I seem to remember him saying about talk about low stocks was a hoax.

But the truth always finds its way out.
 
Or this is what happens when a SecDef prioritizes optics, flyovers, and testosterone levels over strategic execution and the actual well-being of the personnel tasked with fighting the war.
We need to be careful about conflating operational challenges with political discourse.

This is war.

I've been on a deployment that saw being extended twice.

US Army deployments are typically one (1) year.

Are we collectively so removed from 'stop-loss' in Iraq?

It is not to be flippant with people's lives or well-being, but this is still the military.
 
We need to be careful about conflating operational challenges with political discourse.

This is war.

I've been on a deployment that saw being extended twice.

US Army deployments are typically one (1) year.

Are we collectively so removed from 'stop-loss' in Iraq?

It is not to be flippant with people's lives or well-being, but this is still the military.
I'm no expert, but it seems to me that the USN works differently than the Army, and this active combat deployment being at sea for 200 days without a port call is pushing operational stress levels above what is normal for them, in ways that are different than army combat deployments.

That all said, I don't think you are being flippant with people's lives or well being. I reserve that opinion for the President and the SecDef.
 
200+ days at sea with no port call?

WOW.

Longest I did was 31 and we had some folks that were going a bit nuts. Op Apollo there was a 'contest' between some of the ships that saw them hit 76 days. That was bad for all involved except the CO who got bragging rights.

I'd be genuinely concerned at this point if they DID put into somewhere that you'd have to put MP's at the local airport to catch those jumping ship to fly home.

NS
 

The U.S. military has lost at least 45 MQ-9 Reaper drones during the war with Iran, or roughly 25 percent of its fleet, according to three U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
The Reaper is used to conduct surveillance and targeted strikes, and it can cost between $30 million and $50 million depending on the type of sensors and weapons it carries, according to the Air Force. The potential taxpayer cost of recent losses is over $1.3 billion for that weapon system alone.


The aircraft have seen heavy use around the Strait of Hormuz, the vital shipping route that has become a major flash point in the conflict — and a key obstacle to negotiating a lasting peace deal. But the drones fly slowly and often at low altitudes, making them relatively easy targets for Iran’s military and its regional proxies in Yemen and Iraq.


A fourth U.S. official, who like the others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss Pentagon data, said that not all of the lost Reapers were shot down. An unspecified number crashed after their operators’ communications link to the drones failed, the official said.

Add to the list of assets the US military is throwing away in Iran while China laughs.
 
USNI is reporting 241 days present sea time , yikes. Add in 3 weeks or so to get back to San Diego. As you said, Brutal.
Apparently a little less than 2 weeks if they do best possible speed with escorts.
Allegedly under 10 days if they run flank the whole trip.
 
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Apparently a little less than 2 weeks if they due best possible speed with escorts.
Allegedly under 10 days if they run flank the whole trip.
Sounds like the naval equivalent of a Chinook fucking off and leaving its Apache (or Griffon) escorts behind in the dust with the threat, going balls to the wall with 10,000shp worth of JP-8 being chugged back…
 
Sounds like the naval equivalent of a Chinook fucking off and leaving its Apache (or Griffon) escorts behind in the dust with the threat, going balls to the wall with 10,000shp worth of JP-8 being chugged back…
In the Army we said, “feet don’t fail me now…”


I always thought it was interesting in Afghanistan that the Apaches would head off a good 45min early and the Hook chalk would have caught up before the LZ.



If I was the skipper on the Abe and knowing that one could do 45kts for the sprint home - Id pin the throttle and be letting people waterski behind it and having Seahawks cycling skiers if it helped morale.
 





They are fine

It's low

I seem to remember him saying about talk about low stocks was a hoax.

But the truth always finds its way out.
So does he mean they have sufficient stock to be able to sell some to the EU - at fair market price? Blaming a decision made a couple of years ago does say much about US munitions production capabilities.
 
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