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Jagmeet Singh, probably the biggest political loser?

An interesting take on Jagmeet (and potentially his rocky relationship with his own party)

 
Well, as the dust settles, I think we can all agree, Jagmeet Singh and the NDP are the biggest losers in this election.

From 24 seats down to 7. That is one hell of a drop. The Bloc? They only lost 11 seats and are still a party. The Greens? Well they dropped by 50% (2 to 1) and yet that was less of a loss than what the NDP suffered.

Oddly enough, the CPC lost the election even though they gained a bunch of seats. Odd paradigm for sure. So in that way, I see the CPC as losing with a small l. Their is a whole bunch of chitter chatter about who, what, why the CPC should do, lets leave that to those threads.

On Jagmeet and the NDP. Just think about it. Jack Layton brought this party to be the official opposition in 2011. And Jagmeet sunk it to minivan status.

Apparently, there is a lot of behind the scenes NDP folks that want to revive the party. So, I will offer my insights, warts and all. All we have on this, is opinions. The facts are simply the NDP crashed from 24 seats to 7.

First, Jagmeet should have been very careful entering into the SACA (supply and confidence agreement). He and the party would support the LPC to keep them going and in return, the Liberals would throw them a few meat bones to be happy with (they take some credit for the limited dental care plan, the so called pharmacare plan and whatever the hell this $10/Day make belief day care program). Instead of good juicy meat bones, Trudeau threw them nothing but a few crumbs. And Jagmeet accepted it. First big mistake, he should have gone big or go home. He should of threatened, and if necessary pulled the SACA for say REAL dental coverage or a meaningful pharmacare plan. He showed his weakness and accepted such low bar benefits, it did him ZERO good. I am not talking last september either, he should have pulled late 2023 or early 2024. Yeah, we would have been in an election but guess what? He could of campaigned on "The Liberals refuse to act for the lower income workers..." etc.

Second, Last fall FOR sure, he should have pulled the trigger. The green slush fund scandal that locked up party (REMINDER Singh stood alongside the CPC and the BQ in enforcing that through the speaker against the Liberals), and all the other scandals were more than enough ammo for Jagmeet to have pulled the trigger, hit a fall election and yes, there may have been a CPC majority but as a betting man, Jagmeet would right now possibly be the leader of the opposition. And the NDP would be in a much stronger position.

Jagmeet, basically made himself indistinguishable from the LPC, flip flopped on his comments and wasted more time fighting the leader of the opposition (To no avail, the CPC ate up a bunch of their seats) and was throwing out such stupid comments that he simply couldn't be taken seriously (February 2025, telling Carney on TV he was ready to put together "workers packages" to battle the tariffs and and he didn't need to force an election, blah, blah). I thought it was funny that Carney wouldn't even acknowledge him and was like "Election now" a week after becoming PM.

Where does the NDP go from here?
1. Ditch the leader. Done. Select a new leader that represents party values;
2. Update Party Values if necessary;
3. I would suggest standing up for low income workers, victims of crime, single parents, youth and anyone struggling to make it in modern society;
4. Looking at what the NDP has stood for in the past, emphasize focus on education (helping provinces), health care (again helping provinces), STANDING UP FOR OIL AND GAS (This gets more people working), standing for sensible natural resource management (lumber, agriculture, mining, damns, etc) this again gets people WORKING. People want to work and earn a paycheck that covers their monthly expenses with some left over for saving or fun; and
5. On education, I think the NDP would be great to sponsor this idea. Open scholarship for medical doctors and nurses paid for by feds and province. The catch? Those doctors and nurses would need to stay and work in their province for a fixed period of say 10 years or so;
6. Push, push, push for home building (again working with provinces). Homes, big and small. Homes for sale, homes for rent. 2 million people entering the country every year, and building 200,000 some odd homes does not cut it. Lower income people, workers, etc NEED a place to live, full stop, end story; and
7. The NDP needs to embrace the motto of a certain tier one CANSOFCOM unit "Deeds not words".
 
ArmyRick said:
Well, as the dust settles, I think we can all agree, Jagmeet Singh and the NDP are the biggest losers in this election.

From 24 seats down to 7. That is one hell of a drop. The Bloc? They only lost 11 seats and are still a party. The Greens? Well they dropped by 50% (2 to 1) and yet that was less of a loss than what the NDP suffered.

Oddly enough, the CPC lost the election even though they gained a bunch of seats. Odd paradigm for sure. So in that way, I see the CPC as losing with a small l. Their is a whole bunch of chitter chatter about who, what, why the CPC should do, lets leave that to those threads.

On Jagmeet and the NDP. Just think about it. Jack Layton brought this party to be the official opposition in 2011. And Jagmeet sunk it to minivan status.

Apparently, there is a lot of behind the scenes NDP folks that want to revive the party. So, I will offer my insights, warts and all. All we have on this, is opinions. The facts are simply the NDP crashed from 24 seats to 7.

First, Jagmeet should have been very careful entering into the SACA (supply and confidence agreement). He and the party would support the LPC to keep them going and in return, the Liberals would throw them a few meat bones to be happy with (they take some credit for the limited dental care plan, the so called pharmacare plan and whatever the hell this $10/Day make belief day care program). Instead of good juicy meat bones, Trudeau threw them nothing but a few crumbs. And Jagmeet accepted it. First big mistake, he should have gone big or go home. He should of threatened, and if necessary pulled the SACA for say REAL dental coverage or a meaningful pharmacare plan. He showed his weakness and accepted such low bar benefits, it did him ZERO good. I am not talking last september either, he should have pulled late 2023 or early 2024. Yeah, we would have been in an election but guess what? He could of campaigned on "The Liberals refuse to act for the lower income workers..." etc.

Second, Last fall FOR sure, he should have pulled the trigger. The green slush fund scandal that locked up party (REMINDER Singh stood alongside the CPC and the BQ in enforcing that through the speaker against the Liberals), and all the other scandals were more than enough ammo for Jagmeet to have pulled the trigger, hit a fall election and yes, there may have been a CPC majority but as a betting man, Jagmeet would right now possibly be the leader of the opposition. And the NDP would be in a much stronger position.

Jagmeet, basically made himself indistinguishable from the LPC, flip flopped on his comments and wasted more time fighting the leader of the opposition (To no avail, the CPC ate up a bunch of their seats) and was throwing out such stupid comments that he simply couldn't be taken seriously (February 2025, telling Carney on TV he was ready to put together "workers packages" to battle the tariffs and and he didn't need to force an election, blah, blah). I thought it was funny that Carney wouldn't even acknowledge him and was like "Election now" a week after becoming PM.

Where does the NDP go from here?
1. Ditch the leader. Done. Select a new leader that represents party values;
2. Update Party Values if necessary;
3. I would suggest standing up for low income workers, victims of crime, single parents, youth and anyone struggling to make it in modern society;
4. Looking at what the NDP has stood for in the past, emphasize focus on education (helping provinces), health care (again helping provinces), STANDING UP FOR OIL AND GAS (This gets more people working), standing for sensible natural resource management (lumber, agriculture, mining, damns, etc) this again gets people WORKING. People want to work and earn a paycheck that covers their monthly expenses with some left over for saving or fun; and
5. On education, I think the NDP would be great to sponsor this idea. Open scholarship for medical doctors and nurses paid for by feds and province. The catch? Those doctors and nurses would need to stay and work in their province for a fixed period of say 10 years or so;
6. Push, push, push for home building (again working with provinces). Homes, big and small. Homes for sale, homes for rent. 2 million people entering the country every year, and building 200,000 some odd homes does not cut it. Lower income people, workers, etc NEED a place to live, full stop, end story; and
7. The NDP needs to embrace the motto of a certain tier one CANSOFCOM unit "Deeds not words".
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I don’t disagree. They, I mean Singh, definitely shit the bed. He was a very cheap date with the Liberals, looked weak with his whole “I’m tearing up the agreement but not going to bring down the government, but they’re on notice” thing. Then he had some weird hobby-horses like going after the grocery chains and other stuff people weren’t talking about about. Like Trudeau, he was completely unserious by declaring the Conservative Party to be so beyond the pale, to not want to work with them on anything.

Also, the NDP continued to act like their main opponent was the Tories, so they spent their time criticizing and attacking the Tories. In this election more than in past ones, this scared all their lefty voters screaming to a banker leading the Liberals. They needed to keep those voters, not scare them to the Liberals. There was no way those lefty voters were going to vote Tory.

The one thing outside their control was that the Tories’ attacks on them were so good, that their own voters didn’t take them seriously. Combined with the above factors, the NDP missed out on a chance of a lifetime.
 
RangerRay said:
The one thing outside their control was that the Tories’ attacks on them were so good, that their own voters didn’t take them seriously. Combined with the above factors, the NDP missed out on a chance of a lifetime.
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I've been waffling on this one. Did the CPC make a massive strategic misstep by painting Trudeau and Singh with the same brush? The LPC shed the millstone of the 2022-2024 period when Trudeau stepped down, the Singh was the rope that kept the NDP tied to it.

On one hand- before April 28th it would have been hard to believe the CPC info machine has that much credibility within NDP voter circles, so it's hard to give them credit(?) for the the fumble, it's all on NDP failure.

On the other- they did win over a significant number of NDP votes, to the tune of seats. So it looks like they did penetrate that info space, but it was only a half win with some majorly unintended consequences.
 
IKnowNothing said:
I've been waffling on this one. Did the CPC make a massive strategic misstep by painting Trudeau and Singh with the same brush? The LPC shed the millstone of the 2022-2024 period when Trudeau stepped down, the Singh was the rope that kept the NDP tied to it.

On one hand- it's before April 28th it would have been hard to believe the CPC info machine has that much credibility within NDP voter circles, so it's hard to give them Credit(?) for the the fumble.

On the other- they did win over a significant number of NDP votes, to the tune of seats. So it looks like they did penetrate that info space, but it was only a half win with some majorly unintended consequences.
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Totally agree. But I also think the NDP didn’t help themselves by turning off working class voters by talking about stuff that didn’t matter to them, doing announcements with non-profits and special interest groups, etc. I mean, I don’t think I heard him say anything about building things or getting people to work in higher wage jobs or anything like that.
 
He's done and gone. I don’t need to hear anymore about him. Good riddance.

Time to move on and wonder what kind of fuckery his replacement will come up with.
 
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