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John Glenn vs Howard Metzenbaum

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  " WHAT  SENATOR JOHN GLENN  SAID ABOUT THE IRAQI WAR...                 
                                                                           
                                                                           
    There  were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during January....  In 
    the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.
    That's just one  American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn 
    country of  Iraq.                                                     
                                                                           
    When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state 
    the following facts.                                                   
                                                                           
    FDR led  us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.   
    From  1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per   
    year.                                                                 
                                                                           
    Truman finished that war and started one in Korea,  North Korea never 
    attacked us.  From  1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of   
    18,334 per year.                                                       
                                                                           
    John  F.  Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.  Vietnam never 
    attacked us.                                                           
                                                                           
    Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.  From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives 
    were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.                               
                                                                           
    Clinton:                                                               
    Went  to war in Bosnia without UN consent.  Bosnia never attacked us. 
    He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan
    and did nothing.  Osama has attacked the US on multiple occasions.     
                                                                           
    In  the years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has:         
    - Liberated two countries,                                             
    - crushed the Taliban,                                                 
    - crippled al-Qaida,                                                   
    - put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing 
    a shot,                                                               
    - removed from power and eventually captured a murdering tyrant who   
    slaughtered 300,000 of his own people, and                             
    - enabled the people of two previously down trodden countries to elect 
    their own representatives.                                             
                                                                           
                                                                           
    But wait there's more.......................                           
                                                                           
    JOHN  GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR Date: Mon, 26 Jan 200411:13           
    Some people  still don't understand why military personnel do what they
    do for  a living.  This exchange between Senators John Glenn and       
    Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading.  Not only is it a  pretty 
    impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example  of one man's
    explanation of why men and women in the armed  services do what they do
    for a living.  This is a typical, though sad, example of what some who 
    have never served think of the military.                               
                                                                           
    Senator Metzenbaum to Senator  Glenn:  "How can you run for Senate when
    you've never held a  real job?"                                       
                                                                           
    Senator  Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. 
    I  served through two wars.  I flew 149 missions.  My plane  was hit by
    anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions.  I  was in the space     
    program.  It  wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the     
    line.  It  was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take   
    the daily cash receipts to the bank.                                   
                                                                           
    I ask you to go with me as I went the other day...  to a veteran's     
    hospital  and look those men - with their mangled bodies -in the eye, 
    and  tell THEM they didn't hold a job!  You go with me to the Space   
    Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and  Orphans of 
    Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...  and  you look those kids in
    the eye and tell them that their DADS  didn't hold a job.             
                                                               
    You  go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National   
    Cemetery,  where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, 
    and  you watch those waving flags.                                     
                                                                           
    You  stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that
    those people didn't have a job?  I'll tell you, Howard  Metzenbaum; you
    should be on your knees every day of your life  thanking God that there
    were some men - SOME MEN - who held REAL  jobs.  And they required a   
    dedication to a purpose - and a  love of country and a dedication to   
    duty - that was more important  than life itself.  And their           
    self-sacrifice is what made this  country possible.                   
                                                                           
    I  HAVE held a job, Howard!  What about you?"                         
                                                                           
    For  those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an
    attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA.                 
                                                                           
    Now  he's a Senator! "
 
Urban Legends and Folklore

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_glenn_metzenbaum.htm

. . . . a May 3, 1974 debate with Metzenbaum at the Cleveland City Club.

Here, according to political columnist Mark Shields, is what Glenn actually said in that debate (other accounts differ only slightly):

    I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I was through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions.

    I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook. It was my life that was on the line. This was not a 9-to-5 job where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank. I ask you to go with me . . . as I went the other day to a Veterans Hospital and look those men with their mangled bodies in the eye and tell them they didn't hold a job. You go with me to any Gold Star mother, and you look her in the eye and tell her that her son did not hold a job.

    You go with me to the space program, and you go as I have gone to the widows and the orphans of Ed White and Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee, and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their dad didn't hold a job.

    You go with me on Memorial Day coming up, and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery - where I have more friends than I like to remember - and you watch those waving flags, and you stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell me that those people didn't have a job.

    I tell you, Howard Metzenbaum, you should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were some men - some men - who held a job. And they required a dedication to purpose and a love of country and a dedication to duty that was more important than life itself. And their self-sacrifice is what has made this country possible.... I have held a job, Howard.
 
Aha!  Further notes below from 'urbanlegends':

"The text in the 2004 variant criticizing Democrats for not supporting President Bush's Iraq War was appended several years after this email flier began circulating and has nothing to do with John Glenn's 1974 remarks.

As to the charge, also appended in a later variant, that Howard Metzenbaum worked as an attorney for the Communist Party during World War II, I have found no evidence so far to substantiate it."
 
FDR led  us into World War II. Germany never attacked us

This is incorrect. Germany declared war on the US immediately after Pearl Harbour.

He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan
    and did nothing. 

This is an extremely questionable accusation at best. Richard Clark, in his book Against all Enemies, Inside America's War on Terror thoroughly discredits this allegation. I personally dismiss it as another groundless pubbie neo-con attack on President Clinton, who they have a seemingly irrational hatred for.


I hope TCBF never get any emails from Nigeria, selling penis enlargement pills.... ;D
 
Britney Spears said:
I personally dismiss it as another groundless pubbie neo-con attack on President Clinton, who they have a seemingly irrational hatred for.

Funny it seems to go both ways down there- irrational hatred for Bill Clinton; irrational hatred for George W Bush. 
 
Britney Spears said:
This is incorrect. Germany declared war on the US immediately after Pearl Harbour.

How is it incorrect? It said "attacked" not "declared war on," hence it is right, at least technically. And I don't think Germany would (or could) have done much against the US for much of the war. (Assuming it had gone the original 39-45 and not longer, which is a whole new ballgame) Other than sinking the odd ship, Germany just didn't have the power to act against the US. Japan did. Of course, I'll be able to discuss that further after some history/politics classes in university.

You're correct in saying the US had a "reason" to go after Germany though, but I do believe saying Germany never attacked the US is, at least technically, correct.

Infanteer said:
Funny it seems to go both ways down there- irrational hatred for Bill Clinton; irrational hatred for George W Bush.  

Don't you know? If you hate Bush you're humane and a good, smart person... If you hate Clinton you're an idiotic redneck warmonger.

Anyways, time to put the whiskey back on the shelf...
 
How is it incorrect? It said "attacked" not "declared war on," hence it is right, at least technically. And I don't think Germany would (or could) have done much against the US for much of the war. (Assuming it had gone the original 39-45 and not longer, which is a whole new ballgame) Other than sinking the odd ship, Germany just didn't have the power to act against the US. Japan did. Of course, I'll be able to discuss that further after some history/politics classes in university.

You're correct in saying the US had a "reason" to go after Germany though, but I do believe saying Germany never attacked the US is, at least technically, correct.

"Sinking the odd ship" sounds like an attack to me, and the U-Boats did a lot more than sink the "odd" ship, before there was any attack on Germany by the US.

I didn't have to go to University to know that. ::)

Don't you know? If you hate Bush you're humane and a good, smart person... If you hate Clinton you're an idiotic redneck warmonger.

Funny it seems to go both ways down there- irrational hatred for Bill Clinton; irrational hatred for George W Bush.

Well it's not my fault Bush is a redneck war monger, is it? If Bush were half as intelligent or worldly as Clinton was, we wouldn't be in this pickel. I didn't need to go to university to know that either. Most of the world seems to agree with me too. In fact, I hate Bush so much that I'd rather not have to argue about it on every other thread here.

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" In fact, I hate Bush so much that I'd rather not have to argue about it on every other thread here.'

You know, at first, I didn't think you were actually Britney Spears, the singer, but with a post like that, I am beginning to re-assess my original assessment of who you are.

'Hate' does not become us, and will ultimately Albatross ( can I use Albatross as a verb?) any good points we  eventually wish to make.

"I hope TCBF never get any emails from Nigeria, selling penis enlargement pills.... "  ;D

I did.  Size didn't change.  Colour did, though.  My wife was not amused. ;D

 
OK, well I suppose I don't HATE him personally (never met him, really) and I'm sure he's a great cook and a demon in the sack or has some other redeeming qualities, but I do virulently disagree with the dishonest, reactionary and self serving policies of his goverment. Suppose I expanded my general contempt to include Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfield as well?
 
As long as we have some balance and add Bill Clinton and his attack dog Janet Reno.  After all, they spent more money targeting Bill Gates than they did going after Osama Bin Laden, right?
 
MWUHAHAHAHA - I knew I could stew this up!!!  :evil:
 
First of all, I love you Britney Spears. Second, just a reminder to all the right-wingers around here that John Glenn is a Democrat - and a pretty liberal one too.
 
True.  The difference is, John Glenn won his leadership spurs in the military.  A lot of the hardcore borderline traitorous Dems in the USA actually  HATE the US military and do much to undermine it.  Metzenbaum did not want a John Glenn with his military record as competition for some of the pinkos who sat out WW2 and Korea - like Mezenbaum - during a future Democratic convention. 

That conversation was Dem vs Dem.  They have no NDP, no LPC, the Pinkos have to exist in a Democratic Party or perish.

Tom
 
That conversation was Dem vs Dem.  They have no NDP, no LPC, the Pinkos have to exist in a Democratic Party or perish.

It would rather misleading to try and equate the US political spectrum with the Canadian one.....
 
If you expand on that a bit, I may agree with you somewhat, though I'm not quite at that point yet... ;D
 
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