Just another example of politicians overstepping their boundries

[retiredgrunt45]

Hockey Canada defends Doan, denies he said slur

Hockey Canada President Bob Nicholson delivered a passionate defence of Shane Doan on Thursday to a House of Commons committee, describing him as a devout Christian who finds it difficult to even curse.


"You should get to know Shane Doan," said Nicholson.


"You can talk to all of his teammates that have played with him. He says 'fudge' a lot if he gets upset. He's a Christian and a person that I am proud to know."


Nicholson and other Hockey Canada officials met with the House of Commons' Official Languages Committee to defend their decision to appoint Doan as captain of the Canadian world championship team.


Doan, a right-winger for the Phoenix Coyotes who allegedly made derogatory remarks toward a French-Canadian NHL linesman, volunteered to step down on Wednesday as team captain over the controversy.


"Shane Doan is a person who has represented our country eight times," Nicholson said.


"We are 100 per cent behind Shane Doan."


The National Hockey League has cleared Doan of any "wrongdoing" in the matter and Nicholson said he should be free to represent Canada on the national team.


"There is no question those words were said on the ice," Nicholson told the committee.


"The National Hockey League's investigation clearly shows that that was stated, but it also clearly shows that they felt that it wasn't Shane Doan."

But Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe said even the controversy should still have prevented Doan from being named captain.   More on Link: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070503/hockey_meeting_070503/20070503?hub=Politics

Personally I'm totally disgusted by our so called politicians for being so petty as to bring this into the house of commons. There are more important things to deal with like oh yes running the country and yet we pay these jack a**** to pull stunts like this!! I think who ever started this should forfit their salary and get the hell out of dodge!! My God grow up! And they wonder why we distrust them so much.

 

[FredDaHead]

What I find funny is that if he had said "fucking n*****s," he'd have been fined, probably suspended for a bunch of games, and he wouldn't even have been on Team Canada, let alone be the captain of said team. But since he just insulted a few million people, it's all good. Right?

Representing the country should hang on more than just being able to score a few goals; moral character should be important. After all, those players are like ambassadors for Canada abroad, and their demeanor should be irreproachable.

 

[AJFitzpatrick]

Except that Doan didn't actually saying thing directly derogatory. It was Nagy who came up with the F** French line.
Natural hattrick today woo-hoo!

 

[Signalman150]

So...Freddy G,

What if I announced on Army.ca That Freddy G apparently said:

"All left-handed near-sighted Bohemian eunuchs are a*******."

Then we'd tell somebody who cares, (maybe the  Society for the Advancement of Left-Handed Near-Sighted Bohemian Eunuchs), and there would be national furor.  Of course the fact that you didn't say it will be irrelevant.  Even when you were cleared of wrongdoing, and had been exonnerated by the SALHNSBE, we'd continue to lambaste you for what you (didn't) say.  Then, at your next job promotion we'd call on Ottawa to intervene because no one with your moral turptitude should hold any position of authority.

Shane Doan lives and works in North America; here you are innocent until proven guilty.  Although it didn't wind up in a court of law, the incident (or lack thereof) was reviewed by the governing body, who cleared him.  But too many people seem to think that's not good enough, and would rather see his career in tatters, and his reputation ruined--all for the sake of some media feeding frenzy that (according the the board of governors of the NHL) had no basis in fact.

(Edited because Signalman 150 wan't playing nice in the sandbox)

 

[aesop081]

Keep it civil folks, please

army.ca staff

 

[a_majoor]

From the Blogging Tories:

http://www.bloggingtories.ca/btFrameset.php?URL=http://mitadmundo.blogspot.com/2007/05/ridiculous.html&title=Ridiculous!

Ridiculous!

So if I understand this correctly;

    * Gilles Duceppe, whose vision for the future is to destroy Canada,
    * Dennis Coderre, who marches in support of Hezbollah,
    * Jack Layton, who wants to negotiate with the Taliban and bring the POW's to Canada,

all think that Shane Doan is an inappropriate choice for the captain of Team Canada at the World Hockey Championships in Russia?

Take a long hard look in the mirror, pendejos.

And what's with the calls of racism from Duceppe and his lapdogs? Last time I checked, French was a culture and a language, but not a race. Could the alleged comment, which was cleared by the NHL, be construed as derogatory? Certainly. Racist? Not a chance.

Its a shame that Shane Doan was dragged into this carnival of fools. However, I think that the Conservatives had no choice but to go forward with the motion to hold the inquiry. It accomplishes two things: it shows Canada the opposition parties for who they truly are and it provides a way to put an end to what should have been a dead issue.

Posted by Chris Scrupa at 8:30 AM

 

[FredDaHead]

So...Freddy G; you really are just on here to troll, aren't you?

I'm going to announce here on Army.ca That Freddy G apparently said:

"All left-handed near-sighted Bohemian eunuchs are a*******."

Then we'll tell somebody who cares, (maybe the  Society for the Advancement of Left-Handed Near-Sighted Bohemian Eunuchs), and they'll be national furor.  Of course the fact that you didn't say it will be irrelevant.  Even when you are cleared of wrongdoing, and have been exonnerated by the SALHNSBE, we'll continue to lambaste you for what you (didn't) say.  Then, at your next job promotion we'll call on Ottawa to intervene because no one with your moral turptitude should hold any position of authority.

Shane Doan lives and works in North America; here you are innocent until proven guilty.  Although it didn't wind up in a court of law, the incident (or lack thereof) was reviewed by the governing body, who cleared him.  But you--for whatever self-righteous reason--seem to think that's not good enough, and would rather see his career in tatters, and his reputation ruined--all for the sake of some media feeding frenzy that (according the the board of governors of the NHL) had no basis in fact.

Grow up.

His career ruined because he wasn't captain of Team Canada for one year while two cases involving him are in court? I doubt it. Players have done worse and their NHL careers have been fine. Representing Canada and playing in the NHL are two vastly different realms.

 

[SiG_22_Qc]

He represents our country's national sport, and if you think french-canadians aren't part of that country then it's right to leave Doan playing for our national team. Or maybe i'm pushing it a bit, since he didnt really said it publicly, only to a few referees by which he got punished. Bottomline?


Somehow. I agree that these insults have been said in the NHL, and i really wonder who it could hurt since there's no french-canadian in that team. And it has been said in a hockey game, not on radio, or tv.

As for myself i never felt rejected by english-speaking people, even thought i have a very strong french accent  most of them are very charming people  :-*.(i spent 6 months at the CFS ALERT, nunavut)

Few anecdotes:

1st one: when i was doing my QL5 in kingston, my french QL5 had no soccer team, and i knew a few guys from saskatchewan who were doing their 3's. One evening i played with their team against...the french QL3, who were..OUTRAGED!! it was the french against the english, there was no way for them i could have played in the english team :/. After 2 goals they tried to rough me a bit, and were threatning me and they ended up with  few bruises. :blotto:

2nd one(again in Kingston, my favorite city, so far): i was jogging to the gym and some guys were sitting out drinking beers in the shacks. they yelled at me to come have a beer. And i hang there from 4 o'clock until 10'. I was shocked by such hospitality and i can swear that this kind of thing, if i ever see it in quebec, i'll pinch myself twice rather than once. :blotto:

My conclusion: I hate when the media oversize some events, it makes me sick to my stomach. And it breaks my heart that these comments have been said, anyways i know most of englishmen are manly enough to insult only the person rather than his origins/background. :'(

 

[FredDaHead]

Somehow. I agree that these insults have been said in the NHL, and i really wonder who it could hurt since there's no french-canadian in that team. And it has been said in a hockey game, not on radio, or tv.

Just to make sure, are you refering to Team Canada, or the Coyotes?

 

[SiG_22_Qc]

Team Canada

 

[FredDaHead]

Allrighty then.

By the way, about your soccer anecdote, I also have noticed that some Francos get angry if you don't fall into the "all anglos are evil and they're the enemy" spirit.

I gotta disagree about Kingston though, it's a crappy place to live... and I have two more years left here, too.

 

[SiG_22_Qc]

I know taste cannot be discussed BUT... how is that so bad...?

1. It's almost: by the sea.
2. Soft winter.
3. Personnaly i think that the women are gorgeous.
4. A nice gym.

Let me know about the bad things.

 

[FredDaHead]

Some of the women are gorgeous, but most are attrocious. Winter alternates between snow and freezing rain; sure, it's mild, but you can't walk around without risking personal injury. The gym is nice, though.

I just don't like that besides getting drunk and working out, there's very little to do in Kingston. Watching RMC lose again and again doesn't appeal to me, and... yeah, that's pretty much all I can think of.

 

[PMedMoe]

Thread hijack!!!

I gotta disagree about Kingston though, it's a crappy place to live... and I have two more years left here, too.

Maybe it's because of where you live in Kingston.

Some of the women are gorgeous, but most are atrocious.

I'll bet you're a real prize, too.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled thread.  I agree, the politicians have stuck their noses in where they don't belong, but what else is new??  :

 

[Big Foot]

What I find funny is that if he had said "******* n*****s," he'd have been fined, probably suspended for a bunch of games, and he wouldn't even have been on Team Canada, let alone be the captain of said team. But since he just insulted a few million people, it's all good. Right?

Representing the country should hang on more than just being able to score a few goals; moral character should be important. After all, those players are like ambassadors for Canada abroad, and their demeanor should be irreproachable.

Well Fred, I really have to disagree with you here about Shane Doan. First off, his alleged comments are just that, alleged comments. It has never been proven that he said anything along the lines of what he is accused of being said. We live in a society where an individual is innocent until proven guilty. The NHL did an inquiry into the incident and could not find proof that he made anti-French comments. If his moral character was really as bad as you might like to suggest, why is he being supported by both the NHL and Hockey Canada? Besides, can you honestly say that you have not made worse comments than his alleged comments in a public setting? I'd imagine that you are in no position to be casting the first stone.

 

[FredDaHead]

The problem is that it was the word of a player against the word of an official. I've officiated in pretty high-level football in Quebec and I've met a CFL official on multiple occasions, as well as working with university officials. I'm pretty sure that if a player made a racist comment, the word of the official would reign, and not that of the player, otherwise I'm sure a lot of the officials I know would have just quit in protest.  In this case, however, the NHL has decided to side with the player, and the official is still around somewhere.

As for making bad comments. While I do make pretty aweful comments sometimes, I have never gone up to someone and insulted them based on their race, religion, or language. I might say they're a f-tard or a effing stupid moron, but I wouldn't ever go up to someone who I didn't agree with and insult them based on their identity. Besides, if allegations of racism or other discrimination had been made against me and were still pending, do you think I'd get any high-visibility position? Say I had called an IM ref an "effing anglo," and they had complained, do you think I would be made CWS? (The fact that I have no kind of qualifications to be CWS are irrelevent; keep that in mind.) No, I would be stripped of any bars that I already possessed until the issue had been cleared, and then MAYBE I would get them back; I would not get a high-level position while the investigation was still ongoing.

 

[Roy Harding]

From what I understand, this incident was investigated by the NHL, and the player involved cleared of any wrongdoing.

Just to add a little context - I am not a hockey fan (haven't been since the 12 team league), and I have NOT followed the controversy, indeed I was unaware of it until this recent parliamentary hearing hit the press.

However:  I believe the point of this thread is to highlight the fact that our politicians are (once again) wasting their time (and our taxes) "investigating" something which:

a.  doesn't need further investigation;

b.  falls well outside their area of responsibility;

c.  matters not a whit in the "great scheme of things"; and

d.  serves to distract "the public" from issues which DO need investigation, DO fall within their area of responsibility, and DO matter greatly.


Roy

 

[xena]

+ a zillion, Roy!

You've hit the issue on the head! (as usual, it seems)

And now in BC, the provincial politicians are voting themselves another whopping pay raise.  Wouldn't it be fun to vote yourself in a 29% pay raise and not have to justify it to anyone but yourself?  Is there no end to the waste of taxpayers money?

When I become emporer, things are gonna change...  > > >

 

[deedster]

Yes, + 1 (to the power of whatever) Roy.
The politicians do have other important issues to contend with, d'ya think?

 

[retiredgrunt45]

Alright I'm up before the birds as usual and have been reading the comments posted. maybe I should have made it a bit clearer when I posted my comments on this. They were intended to shed some light on the length our national government goes to waste our money. This should "HAVE NEVER" been brought before the house and it should "HAVE NEVER" been given attention it was given. Our politicians owe us the people and apology and I feel it should come from the ones who started this stupidity!

It's a game, leave the powers who govern the game make decisions on their players behavior and as for all the politicians, stay in your own damn lane! We are not paying "you" to waste our money on idiotic behaviour like this, we are paying you to run the country on "OUR BEHALF" and not to judge what some hockey player did or didn't say in a hockey game.

So to sum up;

if you politicians don't wish to find your a**** in the unemployment line, shape up or we'll make damn sure that's were you'll end up! After all you don't hold any more power than we give you and remember, it can be taken away just as easily, by making and "X" on a ballot! I may have laid down my military weapon, but I still wield my pencil and I still have a great stroke with that democratic weapon, I also have a very good memory.

And yes I meant every word of this comment.

I also sent this letter to the Ottawa citizen.