Colin Parkinson
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speaking of the 3" 50, a good video on them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICifnf63lCs&t=552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICifnf63lCs&t=552
Kingston Class 40MM replacement?
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Interesting rocket ships of the same era in combat off the Vietnamese coast. From the same video thread.
http://youtu.be/9U0Mex36J_4
http://youtu.be/9U0Mex36J_4
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So the 40MM has been officially divested from the Kingston Class as its become not supportable anymore. There is a plan to have the Canadian-made Nanuk RWS installed on the platform as a replacement. The install will be pretty much the same as the Oto Melara Remote Controlled Heavy Machine Gun (RCHMG) trials done on HMCS Summerside in 2006.
As one who fired a very few rounds from the Boffin when I was the Chief Instructor in Gunnery at the School of Artillery, I recall reading the available manuals circa 1974. The guns were ex-RCN. but other than that? The Bonaventure had some fitted, but I can't confirm the link. I think some other ships - minesweepers or frigates? - also had them, but that might be an illusion from four decades past.
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Dimsum said:
Saw several shrink wrapped and on a flatbed going somewhere, probably to be stored again I would suppose. If it stays true to what the original RCHMG trial on Summerside in 2006, the control station will be left of the helmsman console with its own chair.
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There goes my WDO qualification... lol... not that I need it anyway with me having left the darkside and going CSE. Guess they will be re-writing the course, only be a weekend now if you don't need the range days or the 40mm qual. 50 cal WDO for reg force is literally - "here's the book, read it", but the PRes guys need all the pyro and ammo management quals to be DECKO which was also part of the course. Wouldn't be surprised if it morphed into a 25mm course at the same location for the AOPs. Probably the exact same control commands, though the reports would be different.
Nanuk RWS was a half decent piece of kit, at least it was in the hot and dry of Afghanistan when I was there. Now I guess we see how it does in the wet, cold and salty. Should be alright if its on the bridge, and the mount stays nice and oiled up. There were a few problems in the beginning with "run on guns" IIRC but they were fixed rapidly, for about $700+ per incident
. There were only a few that were operating 50 cals in theatre when I was there (2 RG-31's) and most used the C-6. But from what I was told by the operators there really wasn't much of a performance difference at the end of the day. Only issue was when there was a stoppage you would sometimes have to pop out the top hatch to fix it, then drop back down to continue firing. Might be a bit awkward sprinting up to the foc'sle to deal with that unless corrected that challenge somehow.
I was hoping for the 25mm that's going on the AOPs to go on the MCDV as well but I suppose that was a bit of a fantasy. It's odd to me that a warship has less fire-power than a LAV 3 but the role it plays. Three 50 cals are good enough to scare fishermen, shoot floating mines, and provide self defence security I suppose.
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Nanuk RWS was a half decent piece of kit, at least it was in the hot and dry of Afghanistan when I was there. Now I guess we see how it does in the wet, cold and salty. Should be alright if its on the bridge, and the mount stays nice and oiled up. There were a few problems in the beginning with "run on guns" IIRC but they were fixed rapidly, for about $700+ per incident
. There were only a few that were operating 50 cals in theatre when I was there (2 RG-31's) and most used the C-6. But from what I was told by the operators there really wasn't much of a performance difference at the end of the day. Only issue was when there was a stoppage you would sometimes have to pop out the top hatch to fix it, then drop back down to continue firing. Might be a bit awkward sprinting up to the foc'sle to deal with that unless corrected that challenge somehow.I was hoping for the 25mm that's going on the AOPs to go on the MCDV as well but I suppose that was a bit of a fantasy. It's odd to me that a warship has less fire-power than a LAV 3 but the role it plays. Three 50 cals are good enough to scare fishermen, shoot floating mines, and provide self defence security I suppose.
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The way things are going, I can see where this is headed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w
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That's never stopped them before.
Colin Parkinson
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Yep, I have some weather ships, Class 500 Cutters and torpedo recovery vessels to sell you, complete with some minor stability issues 
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To fix the "build by committee syndrome" the weatherships had fuel tanks filled with concrete, the 500 class had flume-tank, active rudders, bilge keels fitted and finally a top weight reduction program Not sure what happened with the torpedo recovery vessels.
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Interestingly, when they refurbished those 40mm's back in the 90s, I passed through FMFCS weapons shop and paused to look at the data plates on several of the receivers that were going in for re-finishing from Green to Gray....
I recall the dates of manufacture being as early as 1942, and as late as 1944, but none of the (5 or 6) that I looked at that day were past 1944.
Those guns are all *OLD* and while that doesn't mean the Bofors isn't a GOOD gun, it does make them as old as the Lee Enfields that the Rangers are finally getting replaced.
Ironically, they design of the .50 HMG's that may end up in the RWS date back to 1918 or so (if they're using the .50 M2 style Brownings.)
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I recall the dates of manufacture being as early as 1942, and as late as 1944, but none of the (5 or 6) that I looked at that day were past 1944.
Those guns are all *OLD* and while that doesn't mean the Bofors isn't a GOOD gun, it does make them as old as the Lee Enfields that the Rangers are finally getting replaced.
Ironically, they design of the .50 HMG's that may end up in the RWS date back to 1918 or so (if they're using the .50 M2 style Brownings.)
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NavyShooter said:
All the 50 cals are new build relatively. I was lucky enough to be escort for a veteran from Kapyong for a day sail on HMCS Toronto. We got him an excellent view of the 50 cal shoot from inside the bridge as he told me he was a 50 cal gunner. After the shoot the bosn's did an amazing job showing him the tear down and clean. He was extremely impressed with the way a barrel change could be done with basically a leaver/latch system. He looked at me and said "In my day we had to unscrew the barrel and screw in a new cool one. You can imagine how difficult that would be and I burned myself more than a few times. This woulda been really handy and so quick with the damn (insert racially derogatory name for Asian's here) bearing down on us!"
I suppose the Browning 9mm will now hold the record for the longest serving weapon system in the CAF (not including ceremonial weapons).
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We've had Lee Enfields in service since the Ross's removal in 1916, so that'd be 99 years.
The NEWEST of our Browning HP's was manufactured in 1945 (70 years) that said, I don't think there are any WWI era No.1 Mark 3 Enfields still in service. The oldest Enfields I've seen have been 1941's, (rare) with a few 1942's.
The Oldest Canadian Browning HP was made in 1944:
"By December of 1943 the Inglis company had produced a few test pistols and on January 14, 1944 the first preproduction Inglis pistols were going through test trials. On January 31, 1944 the first production of the Chinese Hi-Power pistols which became known as the No.1 was completed." http://www.ai4fr.com/main/page_militaria__collectibles_canada_inglis.html
I will note that the current generation of M2 Browning .50 Cals are all the "QCB" as described above, none of the older style that require the barrel to be screwed in or out to adjust headspace (and timing) are still in service.
Watching a Weapons Tech muck around with locking blocks to find one that will correctly lock is interesting though.
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The NEWEST of our Browning HP's was manufactured in 1945 (70 years) that said, I don't think there are any WWI era No.1 Mark 3 Enfields still in service. The oldest Enfields I've seen have been 1941's, (rare) with a few 1942's.
The Oldest Canadian Browning HP was made in 1944:
"By December of 1943 the Inglis company had produced a few test pistols and on January 14, 1944 the first preproduction Inglis pistols were going through test trials. On January 31, 1944 the first production of the Chinese Hi-Power pistols which became known as the No.1 was completed." http://www.ai4fr.com/main/page_militaria__collectibles_canada_inglis.html
I will note that the current generation of M2 Browning .50 Cals are all the "QCB" as described above, none of the older style that require the barrel to be screwed in or out to adjust headspace (and timing) are still in service.
Watching a Weapons Tech muck around with locking blocks to find one that will correctly lock is interesting though.
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