Ladies From Hell. Documentary about formation and disbanding ofBlack Watch, 1970

[Jungle]

Honestly, I don't care much for that stuff; I knew about the Régiment de Châteauguay because I was raised in the area where that battle took place.

I am busy enough preparing to deploy, deploying and returning from deployment, then starting the cycle again, to pay much attention to some obscure regt'l affiliation claims. They can claim whatever they want, as all this stuff is good for is raising glasses at mess functions, which I try to avoid anyway.

I guess you should plan a trip to Laval IOT teach the 4R22eR their own history... you can even put a "The" RCR twist in there for all I care...  ;D

Take care dude... 8)

 

[a_majoor]

If we are going to claim anyone in regimental linage then how about the Vikings 

Going all out; which unit wants to claim the assault on the walls of Troy as a battle honour?

 

[AJFitzpatrick]

The Royal Scots claim a lineage at least back to 33 AD

 

[Red Hackle]

uptheglens... I have a video copy of the original 8mm tape, the quality is not very good. The video was given to my father-in-law Col. Scotty Morrison C.O. of the 1st Battalion, he was the commanding officer on parade that day.

Cheers, Ken

 

[Nfld Sapper]

If we are going to claim anyone in regimental linage then how about the Vikings 

Going all out; which unit wants to claim the assault on the walls of Troy as a battle honour?

I'm sure us engineers have it somewhere........

;D

 

[Jungle]

The Royal Scots claim a lineage at least back to 33 AD

not a bad idea... I'm a descendant of the Gaul, at least back to 50 BC; I can probably claim lineage to some Gaul tribe in the Asterix era...

 

[Dennis Ruhl]

Of course not, because it supports your flawed thesis.

But what about the First Nations? Aren't they part of your local military history?  After all, you say it doesn't matter which way the bullets (arrows?) were flying with respect to any Anglo-British heritage in Canadian origins.  Shouldn't your reborn northern Alberta militia unit, if it ever comes to be, also claim that heritage by your reasoning?

Map of Treaty Areas in Alberta

Funny you should mention that.  The St. Albert Mounted Rifles of 1885 were largely a Metis unit that relieved Lac la Biche.  Of course the 19th Ds, if they awaken, should perpetuate it, just as the Fort Garry Horse perpetuate Boulton's Mounted and the South Alberta Light Horse perpetuate the Rocky Mountain Rangers of 1885 although there was no continuity and only a regional affinity.

 

[Dennis Ruhl]

If we are going to claim anyone in regimental linage then how about the Vikings 

Going all out; which unit wants to claim the assault on the walls of Troy as a battle honour?

The 197th (Vikings of Canada) Battalion, CEF is already Canadian and I'm sure a Manitoba regiment showing interest could perpetuate it.

http://www.cefresearch.com/matrix/Army%20Corps/Divisions/Reorganized%20Units/Absorbed%20by%20Reserves/197th%20Battalion.htm

To say the Hastings militia of 1865 is related to the 49th Hastings Rifles of 1866 is hardly akin to perpetuating the seige of Troy. 

Also back in 33 AD the Scots were hardly civilized, probably eating innards out of a sheep's gut.

 

[Michael OLeary]

Then again, there's always the official guidance on perpetuation.

THE HONOURS, FLAGS AND HERITAGE STRUCTURE OF THE CANADIAN FORCES
A-AD-200-000/AG-000
1999-01-04
Ch/Mod 2 – 2001-08-17

PERPETUATION                                         
                                                     
15.      Perpetuation is a unique Canadian system developed after the First World War to provide a formal means of preserving military operational honours and heritage for succeeding generations. It is government policy that disbanded units, which have gained an honour and/or distinction in the field, be perpetuated to preserve their memory. Disbanded units which have not gained an honour or distinction in the field shall not be perpetuated. Units perpetuated by disbanded units which are not eligible for perpetuation may, subject to the concurrence of the disbanded units' authorized or officially recognized association(s), be perpetuated by an extant unit.                                         

16.      Perpetuation is a public declaration of a family inheritance from a distinguished Canadian ancestor, and entitles the perpetuating unit to the honours of its predecessor. Thus, although few Canadian regiments were mobilized as such for overseas service in the First World War, most have battle honours earned in the war.                                                     

17.      By naval and air force custom, ships and flying squadrons with the same name or number, respectively, as a predecessor on the Canadian order of battle automatically perpetuate that predecessor. (For flying squadrons, this custom does not apply if the earlier unit changed identity through amalgamation – the amalgamated unit continues the lineage and all rights and privileges.)

But I'm sure that can also be ignored if your desire is to simply make up history to claim lineage from tenuous connections.

 

[Dennis Ruhl]

Then again, there's always the official guidance on perpetuation.

But I'm sure that can also be ignored if your desire is to simply make up history to claim lineage from tenuous connections.

I mentioned a few.  The 197th Vikings, I believe, were disbanded in Canada and only numbered 300 so probably would have never earned a battle honour, not even "The Great War"

The Hastings County militia example might have been poorer than some as Hastings County came from Victoria District which came from Midland District and although I can find endless county militias on my notes as participating in endless battles from 1812 to 1815, I can't be sure of Hastings County without more research than I care to do.  Regardless no county militias have been perpetuated by current units.  The Royal Newfoundland Fencibles fought in 16 battles.

I mentioned the St. Albert Mounted Rifles.  They were closer to battle than half the regiments granted the battle honour "Northwest Canada, 1885"  I believe only the Fort Garry Horse (from Manitoba Horse from Bouton's Mounted Infantry), The Royal Winnipeg Rifles, and the Royal Regiment of Canada (from the 10th Royal Grenadiers) were actually honoured for specific battles.  There were a few more battles not giving rise to battle honours.

Laws in which I don't believe are created all the time.  Maybe it's time for one in which I believe.  Enough.

 

[Michael OLeary]

Laws in which I don't believe are created all the time.  Maybe it's time for one in which I believe.  Enough.

Just because you don't personally believe in the regulations is no basis to try and convince others to ignore the official regulations for perpetuation.  To do so only muddies the waters and does a disservice to anyone actually trying to learn the factual basis of our regimental lineages.

I agree it's "enough", enough of your misleading suggestions and proposals.

 

[Dennis Ruhl]

I agree it's "enough", enough of your misleading suggestions and proposals.

I just kept repeating myself in greater detail - a good time to quit.