LCBO theft

[The Bread Guy]

Given the high indigenous populations in all three communities, and guessing how many bureaucratic fingers that policy had to go through, I'm surprised it ever saw the light of day in the first place.

Given that arrests were happening elsewhere in Ontario, if I was advising the Queen's Park info-machine, I'd have suggested maybe .... spreading things out a bit more?

Then again, after watching "Yes, Minister" and "Yes, Prime Minister" so often, I can't fault anyone more cynical than me thinking if Ontario did it that way, they wouldn't have to EVER consider it again anywhere else.

 

[lenaitch]

Given that arrests were happening elsewhere in Ontario, if I was advising the Queen's Park info-machine, I'd have suggested maybe .... spreading things out a bit more?

Then again, after watching "Yes, Minister" and "Yes, Prime Minister" so often, I can't fault anyone more cynical than me thinking if Ontario did it that way, they wouldn't have to EVER consider it again anywhere else.

I'm guessing it was more like a Crown agency believing they could operate independent of government influence - then the phone call happened.

I agree that if they had chosen, say, downtown Toronto, Ottawa and Bancroft the pilot would not have been stillborn. It just struck me as bureaucratic tone-deafness at several levels.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Given the high indigenous populations in all three communities, and guessing how many bureaucratic fingers that policy had to go through, I'm surprised it ever saw the light of day in the first place.

They will have their Indian Status Card, which they are quite happy to show for GST tax breaks at the local grocery store.

 

[RangerRay]

Given the high indigenous populations in all three communities, and guessing how many bureaucratic fingers that policy had to go through, I'm surprised it ever saw the light of day in the first place.

To get into a liquor store in Winnipeg, you enter a locked cubicle and don’t get let into the store until they scan your ID. Getting into 17 Wing would be easier. Nobody raised a stink. I’m pretty sure people don’t have to do that to get into a liquor store in the DTES of Vancouver.

 

[mariomike]

To get into a liquor store in Winnipeg, you enter a locked cubicle and don’t get let into the store until they scan your ID.

Like a Man Trap?

Mantrap (access control) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[ModlrMike]

For those with greater interest, here's the details of the MLCC Controlled Entrances program.

 

[RangerRay]

Like a Man Trap?

Mantrap (access control) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Bigger but same concept.

 

[Kilted]

The question at my place is why are they paying for security guards if no one is going to do anything??

Jimmy: Look ma it's a security guard.
Brother Tom: That's a mannequin bro.
Ma: Nope, a mannequin is more useful son. At least it displays items available in the store.

For Ontario at least, unless they are using use of force guards, the policy is likely hands off and report. The vast majority of security in Ontario are not allowed to go hands on unless someone is actively in danger, and even then they will often have policies that will prevent them from doing anything other than calling 911.

 

[lenaitch]

For Ontario at least, unless they are using use of force guards, the policy is likely hands off and report. The vast majority of security in Ontario are not allowed to go hands on unless someone is actively in danger, and even then they will often have policies that will prevent them from doing anything other than calling 911.

Curious what a 'use of force' security guard is. The designation does exist in Ontario legislation.

 

[mariomike]

LCBO theft.

Update,

Wrong-way chase on Highway 401 through Oshawa and Whitby results in criminal charges for two Durham police officers

Durham police officers have been criminally charged in connection to a catastrophic police chase the wrong way down Highway 401, a pursuit launched over an LCBO theft that ended in a head-on crash, killing four, including an infant and his grandparents.

www.durhamregion.com

Family sues Durham police over fatal Highway 401 crash

The April 2024 collision claimed the lives of infant Aditya and his grandparents, Manivannan Srinivasapillai and Mahalakshmi Ananthakrishnan.

toronto.citynews.ca

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Curious what a 'use of force' security guard is. The designation does exist in Ontario legislation.

They have to have passed a "Use of Force" course which I believe has to be renewed on a yearly basis.

 

[dapaterson]

They have to have passed a "Use of Force" course which I believe has to be renewed on a yearly basis.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Maybe hire some more OPP and station them in LCBOs. In the meantime, presence patrols of OPP Auxiliaries, inside the store, might work.

 

[PrairieFella]

I really think the MLCC solution is the play. Theft went down like 97% at MLCCs because of it. Keeps the store feeling nicer too when drunks or drifters cant get in. Totally worth it imo.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Maybe hire some more OPP and station them in LCBOs. In the meantime, presence patrols of OPP Auxiliaries, inside the store, might work.

Why not just make a rule where marginalized people can take alcohol for free if they have to due to socio-economic vulnerability?

 

[brihard]

They have to have passed a "Use of Force" course which I believe has to be renewed on a yearly basis.

I can’t find a provision for this in Ontario’s Private Security and Investigative Services Act or associated regulations. I suspect if you’ve seen a recert requirement, that might be a conditional of their liability insurance. Such insurance is a requirement under the Act.

Use of force would mostly be a matter of the applicable Criminal Code provisions for persons acting in defence of self or others, or carrying out arrests for criminal offences ‘found committing’ under section 494. Any provincial law regarding use of force would necessarily be built around that framework

 

[dapaterson]

Use of force would mostly be a matter of the applicable Criminal Code provisions for persons acting in defence of self or others, or carrying out arrests for criminal offences ‘found committing’ under section 494. Any provincial law regarding use of force would necessarily be built around that framework

I thought you could just go out back behind a Home Depot and threaten to beat someone?

 

[lenaitch]

I can’t find a provision for this in Ontario’s Private Security and Investigative Services Act or associated regulations. I suspect if you’ve seen a recert requirement, that might be a conditional of their liability insurance. Such insurance is a requirement under the Act.

Use of force would mostly be a matter of the applicable Criminal Code provisions for persons acting in defence of self or others, or carrying out arrests for criminal offences ‘found committing’ under section 494. Any provincial law regarding use of force would necessarily be built around that framework

Neither can I. A security guard has to pass the approved training course which has a Use of Force component.

Maybe hire some more OPP and station them in LCBOs. In the meantime, presence patrols of OPP Auxiliaries, inside the store, might work.

Seeing as it is private property, that would be a Paid Duty for the police service of jurisdiction. It might be a decent money maker if the LCBO was willing to pay the going rate.