• Thanks for stopping by. Logging in to a registered account will remove all generic ads. Please reach out with any questions or concerns.

Legendary British warship 'found' - BBC News

Yrys

Army.ca Veteran
Subscriber
Reaction score
34
Points
560
Legendary British warship 'found'

_45434440_victory_300.jpg

An artist's impression of how HMS
Victory may have looked

A US-based salvage firm is believed to have found remains from the wreck
of a legendary British warship which sank in the English Channel in 1744.

Odyssey Marine Exploration is expected to announce on Monday that it has
found HMS Victory, the forerunner of Nelson's famous flagship of the same
name. The valuables from the vessel, including brass cannons, could be
worth millions of pounds, some experts say. If confirmed, the find could
trigger a row with the British government.

The remains from HMS Victory have been reportedly found in international
waters. But as a military wreck, they officially belong to the British state.

'Gold coins'

Ahead of the expected announcement at a news conference in London on
Monday, Odyssey Marine Exploration's CEO Greg Stemm said the firm was
negotiating with Britain over collaborating on the project.

"This is a big one, just because of the history," Mr Stemm was quoted as
saying by the Associated Press. "Very rarely do you solve an age-old mystery
like this." Mr Stemm declined to reveal the exact location of the warship's
remains. "We found this more than 50 miles (80km) from where anybody
would have thought it went down," he said.

HMS Victory has been described by some maritime experts as "the finest ship
in the world" at its time. It sank with more than 1,100 seamen aboard, including
Admiral Sir John Balchen, in a fierce storm off the Channel Islands.

The ship's exact location has since remained a mystery, despite numerous attempts
by salvagers to find it. The vessel had 100 brass cannons and reportedly some
100,000 gold coins on board.

In 2007, Odyssey said it had salvaged 17 tonnes of gold and silver coins, worth
$500m (£343m), from a shipwreck in the North Atlantic. The Spanish government
later sued the company, claiming the the sunken ship was a famous 19th-Century
Spanish galleon. The case is pending.
 
There were 1050 lives lost in this sinking. The ship should be considered a grave and left alone.
 
You make a good point, but, there may also be some value in restoring it as a monument so that the public may be reminded of their sacrifice.
 
That would be very good if all the money recovered, past expenses to bring it up, were used in the memorial.
 
Thats a pretty good idea, it will be interesting to see what they work out.  Something tells me it wont purely be altruistic.
 
A private enterprise certainly would not want to do it this way. Maybe they could invoke the British Treasure Act and get a fair market value of the goods. But this treasure is Blood Treasure so that act might not apply. Anyway, we will see what the British government says when the finders negotiate with them.
 
kkwd said:
There were 1050 lives lost in this sinking. The ship should be considered a grave and left alone.

So were the Vasa and the Mary Rose, By raising the ships and their cargo, the sad deaths of the sailors have given a remarkable treasure to the world. It gave their death some meaning other than dying due to bad design.
 
I have been interested with this company’s exploits for several years.

Odyssey Marine Exploration: http://shipwreck.net/ff/index.php?query=susse&type=simple

The current search is on TV. I believe that episode 2 is the discovery of HMS Victory. The target was coded and at the end of the episode, they were off to consult with the Ministry of Defense. Apparently, the 20 ft 42 pounder, brass cannons were only mounted on “battleships” of the era. The 42 pounder (caliber) refers to the shot that was fired. The discovery of many large caliber brass cannons was a hint that they found the target they were searching for. They were careful to take any “intrusive action” on the site. Their ship was buzzed by French Navy maritime patrol aircraft and a helicopter in episode 3, but referred to in episode 1 and 2. Out of sequence as are many series (my TV info system states episode number, original viewing date, date of production, description, etc)   Number four on this week.

Odyssey Expeditions on Television!

On Thursday, January 15th at 10PM EST/PST, our eyes will be glued to Discovery Channel for the world premiere of “Treasure Quest” - a new 11-episode series about Odyssey’s shipwreck expeditions.


HMS Sussex (Oct 02): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1410045/The-Treasurys-ship-comes-in.html

$500M Treasure Ship Found In Atlantic (May 07): http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/18/national/main2824740.shtml

Their ship was seized by  Spain on this adventure.




 
The remains from HMS Victory have been reportedly found in international waters. But as a military wreck, they officially belong to the British state.

This says it all.... doesn't it ?

Not sure you can compare this wreck to that of the VASA & the Mary Rose...
Also... is there a need for another ship from roughly the same period as the other HMS Victory?
The time and money needed to be spent on the preservation of these artefacts won't justify the cost AND considering the economic hardship currently happening in Britain - I think that this one is a "non-starter"... IMHO
 
Another article on the same subject :

264-year-old wreck of British warship found

victory-war-ship-540x380.hmedium.jpg

The Bronze cannon on the shipwreck site of HMS Victory bearing
the royal crest of King George I, in the English Channel. The legendary
British man-of-war that sank in the English Channel 264 years ago.
Odyssey Marine Exploration hasn't found any gold this time, but it's
looking for an even bigger jackpot.

 
What's the difference between "grave" and "historical treasure"?  200 years?  I suppose battleship fanciers will have to wait until 2145 or so to ogle parts of the Yamato and Musashi raised for display.
 
Brad Sallows said:
What's the difference between "grave" and "historical treasure"?  200 years?  I suppose battleship fanciers will have to wait until 2145 or so to ogle parts of the Yamato and Musashi raised for display.

It's different when you raise artifacts to educate the public of past lives and times. As opposed to plundering the wreck for gold to buy yourself a condo in Bermuda.
 
well... if the British gov't decides to enforce security on their property... I guess they can send in the RN to seize the plunderers... as was done by the spaniards a couple of years ago.
 
Different?  I suppose that's why museums have been returning artifacts looted from burial grounds in Canada.
 
... but the British Royal Museum still won't return the Parthenon frescoes
 
Episode 4 was on last night, confirming the wreck coded as Legend at position 25C was HMS Victory . 

The following is the corrected statement from my first post: Apparently, the 12 ft 42 pounder, bronze cannons were only mounted on “battleships” of the era. The 42 pounder (caliber) refers to the shot that was fired. The discovery of many large caliber bronze cannons was a hint that they found the target they were searching for.

They recovered a 42 pounder (to prove the identity of the ship to MOD) and got a precise measurement of 12ft, weighing 4 tons. Range would have been 1 1/2 miles. HMS Victory was the only 18th century ship to carry 42 pounders.

The first 42 pounder they where going to recover was over the top of the remains of a crewman. As they moved a cannon ball near the cannon, it was discovered the cannon ball had teeth. Work was stopped and the remains reinterned. Moved to a second 42 pounder.

Anyone else watching this programme?
 
Didn't watch - will catch it on the reruns....
Glad to hear that they paid adequate respect to the soldiers & sailors who lie burried there.
This will probably give them some brownie points when dealing with the MoD & obtaining permission to continue
 
It would be surprising if the British government didn't take a particular interest in this wreck and ensure it is handled respectfully, given that we are talking about an HMS Victory. It's successor was, after all, Nelson's Flagship at Trafalgar (it's since been restored and is the current ceremonial flagship for the Royal Navy)
 
It's nice to see they treated the remains with respect and hopefully they will do the same during the rest of their expedition. I just wonder how many more hundreds of skulls they will find going through the wreck.
 
starseed said:
It would be surprising if the British government didn't take a particular interest in this wreck and ensure it is handled respectfully, given that we are talking about an HMS Victory. It's successor was, after all, Nelson's Flagship at Trafalgar (it's since been restored and is the current ceremonial flagship for the Royal Navy)

Actually Victory is the Flagship for the Naval Home Command  and the Second Sea Lord whose responsibilities are shore installations and personnel, not the Royal Navy.
 
Back
Top