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Here is Lew Mackenzie wading in again....

http://dgpa-dgap.mil.ca/NewsCanada/0403/040301/npt/040301cq.htm

PUBLICATION : National Post
DATE : 2004.03.01
EDITION : National

SECTION: News PAGE: A1 / Front COLUMN: Lewis MacKenzie BYLINE: Lewis MacKenzie SOURCE: National Post

during the Bosnian civil war of 1992.

HEADLINE: Get used to this kind of mission: Canada can build a role in dealing with small, chaotic wars

Canadian soldiers can forget about that ‘‘rest‘‘ that

everyone‘s been talking about. Haiti‘s back in crisis, and everyone knows that for soldiers, a regime change is as good as a ‘‘rest.‘‘

Yesterday, our troops were standing guard at Port-au-Prince airport. A small contingent of Canadians, of the JTF-2 variety, is on the ground in Haiti, and more soldiers are likely on their way.

Little known to most Canadians, we have been intimately involved in the basket case known as Haiti off and on during the past 13 years.

While commanding a UN mission in Central America in 1990, I was tasked with sending a small number of Canadian francophone officers from our mission to Haiti to act as UN observers. Since then, Canadian soldiers, Canadian ships, Canadian police, both military and civilian, NGOs and government representatives have pretty well maintained a constant Canadian presence on the island.

In truth, it‘s doubtful Haiti deserves another chance to waste our goodwill; however, that fact will not preclude our participation.

You knew that ‘‘rest‘‘ was a bad joke anyway. We have found another mission for you, even before we had a chance to get out of Bosnia after 13 years, 25 dead and more than 100 seriously injured.

Why?

Well, Haiti is in our hemisphere; we are a member of the Organization of American States (OAS); also a member of the ‘‘Friends of Haiti,‘‘ a collection of 13 countries including the United States, France and most of the nations comprising the Caribbean community (CARICOM); we have a significant Haitian community in Canada, with 150,000 calling Montreal home; and to cap it off we have a small professional military that continues to do us proud no matter how often we over-task and take advantage of its members.

The United States would like to ignore this new crisis,

particularly with the dirty work that needs to be done in Iraq and Afghanistan with limited support from its allies. However, with visions of a continuous wave of refugees in overcrowded and non-seaworthy boats heading for the Florida beaches and George W. Bush standing firm with his decision to deny them landing on U.S. soil, any advisor worth his pay scale would be pleading with the President to keep the problem in Haiti.

For once, the UN Security Council will have an easy decision. The resolution, currently being drafted, will merely give UN authority to a subcontractor, in this case the United States, to lead a stability mission to the island (after the fact, as the Marines are already there) with Chapter 7 rules of engagement (maximum use of force authorized). France is onside, Russia and China could care less and the U.K. will be happy to go along.

Canadians should note that under such a resolution the UN will not be paying the bills. That task will fall to the Canadian taxpayer -- and be advised the Canadian Forces are already projecting a $500-million deficit for this year.

OK, so we have no choice -- so what? Well, this is merely a tiny part of a trend that will continue for the lifetime of every Canadian alive today. Wars of the magnitude that blackened the previous century are blessedly history. Unfortunately, today and tomorrow‘s internal wars involving factions hellbent on violent, sometimes genocidal campaigns that offer no stability even when they are stopped are the new norm. And guess what? The demand for Canadian participation will continue to grow, and our political leaders will find it increasingly impossible to say no.

That being the case, the forthcoming holistic foreign/defence policy review had better avoid tinkering with the status quo and recognize the need for a larger (not large, but larger -- approximately 80,000 to 85,000 souls) and restructured Canadian Armed Forces. A light, lethal and strategically mobile force with one or more battalion groups (1,000 soldiers) deployable by air and at least four more trained and equipped to arrive by sea would fit the bill.

With such a force we could have had a battalion group on board a Canadian assault ship standing off Haiti for the last week waiting to land the moment the UN gave the word. Without that ability, it would take weeks if not months to get an equivalent sized unit with all its kit to the island -- an island in our own hemisphere.

Much has been written lately regarding the need for our Armed Forces to return home from their overseas operational tours for a ‘‘rest.‘‘ I hate the term; what is really required is a period of training, essential to maintain the level of professionalism necessary to carry out those very overseas missions. If anything, a military works harder at home regenerating itself than it does in an operational theatre, albeit under less dangerous circumstances.

Anyway, the practicality of a ‘‘rest‘‘ can be debated to death but it won‘t happen. Like it or not, we have an important role to play on the world‘s stage so let‘s stop talking about a ‘‘rest‘‘ and give the Forces the tools and the numbers to do the tasks we ask of them without burning them out.
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We are not even back from Bosnia yet, and we‘re debating if we will be in Afgahn, or Haiti within 12-14 months time.
 
Oh well at least it is warm there.If you joined the Army looking for a rest you are in the wrong job,besides the pay benifits are nice.Too bad I just got home from Afghanistan or I would be putting in for this one as well.
 
I don‘t think Haiti will be a long term tour though.
Maybe just a 6 month in and out sort of thing.

Well, we‘ll see how our dear PM decides.
 
I don‘t know if this would solve the problem or just make it worse but what would happen if they changed the length of tours from six months, to nine months or even one year?

I know that the soldiers probably wouldn‘t like it, I know when I‘m in I wouldn‘t want to be away from family for a year, but would it help the issue of the forces being over stretched?
 
You ever been on deployment scm? No I guess not since you are not in yet. Do you know what happens with families during extended deployments? I saw my wife a grand total of 2.5 months between 2001-2002. I know sailors who ended being divorced and I am sure its the same for the army. What would happened if there was a more serious crisis down the road? Its not only the military personnel it affects its also the families you leave behind. It won‘t solve anything it would just make it worse. Personnel would be even more burned out then they are. Can you imagaine our contribution to ISAF in combat operations for a year? Releases would be submitted left and right. Bad idea!
 
Nice warm beaches, people who speak at least one of the national languages, as far as a foreign deployment goes, you aren‘t going to get much better.
 
Ex-Dragoon. I wasn‘t suggesting that that‘s what we should do. I am aware of what it is like to have a father or other parent away for a long time. My father wasn‘t in the military, but I didn‘t see him for long periods of time and it was hard. I can‘t imagine what it would be like if he was a world away risking his life. I was just asking if it would help the problem or just make it worse.
 
Ex-Dragoon - the average troop rotation during WW II was probably three years...with thousands of men who endured five or six years, with no home leave, no phone calls,...

I keep telling WW II vets that my generation couldn‘t do what they did. Know what they tell me?

"You don‘t know what you can do until you try."

Not saying it is a good idea, and there are obvious differences between WW II and peace missions today...but are we really so sure to put one year tours in the realm of impossibility?

I bet MG34 would sign up on the spot. He probably likes IMPs too.
 
The US army still has tours of over one year for some of the units that were in iraq from the begining. Whenever I hear about new units going over now they say that they will be on a one year tour.
 
Big diffrence between fighting a war and peacekeeping, in relation to the goals. If You told me that I had to stay somewhere (like in Bosnia) until we could guarentee peace, my and most pers response would be screw that. During WW2 the common goal was the defeat of the Axis and winning the war, everyone worked to the common goal, and knew what the definative end state was...Different situations.

Scm77, my reponse to you post would be the same, screw that. 6 months is long enough to be away at a time. Besides maybe its a good thing we will run out of troops, money etc, cause the government won‘t allow us to reconstitute.

Also no comparison to the US and Cdn army, we want our people to stay in for 10-20-25 yr careers, the US actually encourages a good portion of thier young soldiers to get out and persue education etc after 3-6 yrs, thats why they can afford to take divisions for a 1 yr tour. Also its almost unheard of to have a battalion in the US army deploy for 2 tours in as short as 3 yrs(US equivent would be two one yr tours in less then 5 yrs).
 
Originally posted by Armymedic:
Big diffrence between fighting a war and peacekeeping, in relation to the goals. If You told me that I had to stay somewhere (like in Bosnia) until we could guarentee peace, my and most pers response would be screw that.
After which you would go and do it anyway... ;)
 
****, you got me...

But the first question would be: How much will I make?

Second is: When is my HLTA?

Last; After my wife divorces me and moves away with the kids and all my possesions, can I live in the shacks when I eventually do get back?
 
You know as we speak the clerks are going through the files looking for the french speakers in the other regiments, **** this no tour after just coming home. I would go to Haiti, not because I want to be away from my wife again but because it really comes down to it‘s my job and if they ask it then becomes my duty to do the job to the best of my ablities. Then again my wife would have me killed lol
 
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